Here is my proposal, don't try to ban assault rifles

[dutch508]

Darwins_Retriever (654 posts)
https://www.democraticunderground.com/1172212271

Here is my proposal, don't try to ban assault rifles

Create a law restricting muzzle velocity of all weapons.

AR15 has muzzle velocity of 3300 ft/sec. This is what allows an AR15 to be so deadly. Its ammo meets international law: it is full metal jacket, it is not designed to flatten or break apart. But it does both of these because of the muzzle velocity. Which makes the AR15 highly destructive.

This would require a new cartridge. The current one has too much powder behind it. Reduce the powder, and the cartridge would be smaller (shorter). Ban the manufacture and sale of the original cartridge. Manufacturers would have to redesign the chamber and make adapters for existing AR15s to be able to fire the shorter round. Gun manufacturers may actually like this. I means increased sales.

 

Star Member onecaliberal (27,422 posts)

1. No. The purpose is to kill people. As many as possible as quickly as possible.

This gun and those similar should NEVER EVER be sold to civilians.

That would be all weapons. Ever.

 

Star Member krispos42 (49,421 posts)

5. So it's okay to have a gun that shoots .223 Rem as long as it's not an AR-15?

Is that what you're saying?

Star Member onecaliberal (27,422 posts)

6. Ban EVERY assault weapon from civilian sales.

PERIOD. That’s what I’m saying.

My M1 Garand is good to go.
My Mosin/Nagant 91/30 is good to go.
My Enfield Mk3 is good to go.
My Kar 98k is good to go.
etc etc etc

Star Member multigraincracker (28,782 posts)

2. Good idea, but

I'm sure they would claim it won't stop wild pigs.

I'd make all semi autos that hold more than 3 rounds be limited to 22 shorts.

Star Member beemerphill (382 posts)

3. Interesting Idea

However, you may want to run this by a couple of experienced gunsmiths before you draft any bills. Let us know what they say.

Star Member onecaliberal (27,422 posts)

13. I don't give a **** what gun humpers think.

Leading cause of death for children is guns. If you think that is stirring shit, that’s your problem. I’m not going to listen to or consider a single thought or syllable spoken by people who want to make excuses for that.

The researchers found that motor vehicle crashes were the leading cause of child deaths in the United States, comprising about 20% of all deaths among children in 2016. The chief reason for the crashes was cell phone use by drivers and pedestrians, the researchers found. https://www.advisory.com/daily-briefing/2018/12/21/child-death

Star Member discntnt_irny_srcsm (17,921 posts)

4. Terminal ballistics and physics

What actually makes the AR-15 deadly is that it fires a bullet. Robert Kennedy was killed by a .22lr from a revolver. A rifle only serves to give the powder charge a longer time to accelerate the bullet which in general only improves the effective range.

The specific magnitude of damage that a single bullet will cause is primarily determined by its energy. I majored in physics and have a detailed understanding of energy and dynamics. The kinetic energy of an object (E) is given by the formula E = 1/2 m*v*v, (v*v is v squared) where m is the mass and v is velocity.

The muzzle energy of a .223 Rem is 1100 - 1200 ft·lb. Comparing this to an AR-10, 2,550 ft-lb. Compare that also to the basic 9 millie which is 350 - 450 ft·lb. BTW the 9mm is one of two guns used at the deadliest mass shooting at a school, Virginia Tech. The other handgun was a .22.

Modifying an AR in .223 down to a smaller case for less powder would be expensive. Also, many people reload their own ammo by saving the brass and adding new bullets and powder.

The average deer hunting rifle fires with more muzzle energy than an AR-15.

I conclude that making this change will, at best, make the modified AR-15 about as deadly as the weapon used in the deadliest school shooting to date.

 

yagotme (1,306 posts)

16. What muzzle velocity are you suggesting? n/t

He can't answer that because he doesn't know what muzzle velocity really is...


six more days...

[DUmpDiver]

It's amusing how firearms idiots pretend that 223 is the most lethal round known to man. Many states don't even allow it for deer hunting because it's not lethal enough.



Don't get me wrong. I wouldn't even want to be shot by 22LR but the drama queening over 223 is unfounded.

[RuralNc]

You know lurking MUtts.

Abortion is pretty deadly too. Just say'n.

[FlaGator]

I believe muzzle velocity is more dependent on the ammo than the weapon firing the round. People that refill their own shells can get pretty high muzzle velocities from fairly low-caliber weapons.

[landofconfusion80]

I believe muzzle velocity is more dependent on the ammo than the weapon firing the round. People that refill their own shells can get pretty high muzzle velocities from fairly low-caliber weapons.

My 14 y/o just bought himself a .50 cal black powder. That thing has been a huge learning experience for him. He got it in case they try to confiscate. Guess there isn't any paper trail for that one.

[CollectivismMustDie]

Lurking DUmmies,

Here is my proposal. NO means NO. "Shall not be infringed, means SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED.


I propose a law that states if you want to take peoples guns away, you're going to have to try it yourself without the aid of government, since amendment 2 was created to forbid government from this exact action.



Say when,

All rational Americans

[landofconfusion80]

Lurking DUmmies,

Here is my proposal. NO means NO. "Shall not be infringed, means SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED.


I propose a law that states if you want to take peoples guns away, you're going to have to try it yourself without the aid of government, since amendment 2 was created to forbid government from this exact action.



Say when,

All rational Americans

Since we should only have weapons from the revolution, I want my own private battleship and 2 dozen howitzers

[DefiantSix]

Since we should only have weapons from the revolution, I want my own private battleship and 2 dozen howitzers

I'll see your howitzers, and raise you a flight or two of Intercontinental Ballistic Congreave Rockets.

😈

[Rebel]

Darwins_Retriever (654 posts)
https://www.democraticunderground.com/1172212271

Here is my proposal, don't try to ban assault rifles

Create a law restricting muzzle velocity of all weapons.

AR15 has muzzle velocity of 3300 ft/sec. This is what allows an AR15 to be so deadly. Its ammo meets international law: it is full metal jacket, it is not designed to flatten or break apart. But it does both of these because of the muzzle velocity. Which makes the AR15 highly destructive.

This would require a new cartridge. The current one has too much powder behind it. Reduce the powder, and the cartridge would be smaller (shorter). Ban the manufacture and sale of the original cartridge. Manufacturers would have to redesign the chamber and make adapters for existing AR15s to be able to fire the shorter round. Gun manufacturers may actually like this. I means increased sales.

That's a whole lot of "I don't know dick about firearms" right there.

[SVPete]

Are we back to exploding pig stories?

[USA4ME]

They know nothing except that they want what they want. Pretending to know how to get there makes them feel smart. It’s pure emotion. There is no logic to anything they desire.

.

[67 Rover]

Star Member discntnt_irny_srcsm (17,921 posts)

4. Terminal ballistics and physics

What actually makes the AR-15 deadly is that it fires a bullet. Robert Kennedy was killed by a .22lr from a revolver. A rifle only serves to give the powder charge a longer time to accelerate the bullet which in general only improves the effective range.

The specific magnitude of damage that a single bullet will cause is primarily determined by its energy. I majored in physics and have a detailed understanding of energy and dynamics. The kinetic energy of an object (E) is given by the formula E = 1/2 m*v*v, (v*v is v squared) where m is the mass and v is velocity.

The muzzle energy of a .223 Rem is 1100 - 1200 ft·lb. Comparing this to an AR-10, 2,550 ft-lb. Compare that also to the basic 9 millie which is 350 - 450 ft·lb. BTW the 9mm is one of two guns used at the deadliest mass shooting at a school, Virginia Tech. The other handgun was a .22.

Modifying an AR in .223 down to a smaller case for less powder would be expensive. Also, many people reload their own ammo by saving the brass and adding new bullets and powder.

The average deer hunting rifle fires with more muzzle energy than an AR-15.

I conclude that making this change will, at best, make the modified AR-15 about as deadly as the weapon used in the deadliest school shooting to date.

F*** yea!   

[DUmpDiver]

F*** yea!   

I just read that one. MIRT alert!