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primitives discuss unemployment rates; confuse Idaho with Ohio
« on: January 23, 2008, 09:28:04 AM »
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x2743382

Oh my.

The economic gurus, the primitives:

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orleans  (1000+ posts)       Tue Jan-22-08 02:02 PM
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Unemployment Numbers By State

"The unemployment rates below are for November and were released on Dec. 21, 2007

1 IDAHO 2.7
2 SOUTH DAKOTA 2.8
2 UTAH 2.8
4 HAWAII 2.9
4 WYOMING 2.9
6 NEBRASKA 3.1
6 NORTH DAKOTA 3.1
8 VIRGINIA 3.2
9 DELAWARE 3.4
9 MONTANA 3.4
9 NEW HAMPSHIRE 3.4
9 NEW MEXICO 3.4
13 ALABAMA 3.5
13 LOUISIANA 3.5
15 MARYLAND 3.7
16 KANSAS 3.8
17 IOWA 3.9
17 VERMONT 3.9
19 ARIZONA 4.1
19 COLORADO 4.1
21 NEW JERSEY 4.2
21 PENNSYLVANIA 4.2
21 TEXAS 4.2
24 FLORIDA 4.3
24 MASSACHUSETTS 4.3
26 GEORGIA 4.4
26 MINNESOTA 4.4
28 OKLAHOMA 4.5
29 NEW YORK 4.6
29 WEST VIRGINIA 4.6
31 INDIANA 4.7
31 NORTH CAROLINA 4.7
31 WASHINGTON 4.7
34 MAINE 4.9
34 TENNESSEE 4.9
36 CONNECTICUT 5
36 KENTUCKY 5
38 WISCONSIN 5.1
39 ILLINOIS 5.2
39 MISSOURI 5.2
39 RHODE ISLAND 5.2
42 NEVADA 5.4
43 OREGON 5.5
44 CALIFORNIA 5.6
44 OHIO 5.6
46 ARKANSAS 5.7
46 DISTRICT OF COLUMBIA 5.7
48 SOUTH CAROLINA 5.9
49 MISSISSIPPI 6.3
50 ALASKA 6.4
51 MICHIGAN 7.4
http://money.cnn.com/pf/features/lists/state_unemployme...

For any lurking primitives that might happen to come upon this site, I "edited" the oleomargarine primitive's post, highlighting the blue states.

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zanne  (1000+ posts)      Tue Jan-22-08 02:10 PM
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1. I wonder why Idaho has only a 2.7% of unemployment?

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orleans  (1000+ posts)       Tue Jan-22-08 02:13 PM
Response to Reply #1

2. good question. (larry craig and crapo are the senators)

wonder what the minimum wage was there back in november?

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Lone_Star_Dem  (1000+ posts)       Tue Jan-22-08 03:25 PM
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25. They have a strong farming sector

And they show strong Hispanic buying power in their economy.

At a glance of wages for several of the farming community jobs I found lower than average pay rates, with wage increases well below inflation.

They're also offering incentives for tourist based industries. When I looked into the wages offered for lodging staff it was also below average with wage increases below inflation rates.

At a glance it's possible they're exploiting minority workers, but one would have to do much more looking into it to be sure.

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Jamastiene  (1000+ posts)       Tue Jan-22-08 02:17 PM
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5. There are probably only 1000 people in the whole state 
 
Ok, that's an exaggeration, but isn't Idaho one of those low population states? Maybe that's it.

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goodgd_yall  (1000+ posts)      Tue Jan-22-08 02:23 PM
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6. Doesn't Idaho have a lot of retirees?

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orleans  (1000+ posts)       Tue Jan-22-08 02:28 PM
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9. i don't know, but apparently they have the magic to transform superfund sites:

"KELLOGG, Idaho -- It may seem an unlikely candidate for the Pacific Northwest's latest vacation hot spot, but this former mining town has survived decades of decline to boom once more.

The once-heavily-polluted mining community -- a massive Superfund site -- seems to have been transformed virtually overnight into a swanky ski resort, Silver Mountain, with newcomers flocking to buy condos and open businesses.

''It was a definite surprise it took off the way it did,'' said Mayor Mac Pooler, a lifelong resident. ``We were hoping something would do that.''

http://www.miamiherald.com/986/story/381789.html

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slampoet (969 posts)      Tue Jan-22-08 02:39 PM
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16. Idaho has only 2.7% of their jobless actively drawing Unemployment Insurance
 
I am sure there are LOTS of people who are jobless and not counted.

The reason you see these figures is that this state has lower benefits.

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OhioChick  (1000+ posts)      Tue Jan-22-08 02:13 PM
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3. I See That Ohio is at the Bottom of the Barrel. Too Many Years of Repub Rule Here.

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alyce douglas  (1000+ posts)     Tue Jan-22-08 02:14 PM
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4. rates look bad.

why does Idaho have such a low unemployment level?

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Lone_Star_Dem  (1000+ posts)       Tue Jan-22-08 02:23 PM
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7. These are old numbers. Many have risen since November

An example being Texas unemployment rose to 4.5 percent in December.

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orleans  (1000+ posts)       Tue Jan-22-08 02:26 PM
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8. "old numbers"? and you're updating by only one month! 

what was idaho's number last month? i suspect their unemployment didn't jump too much above what it was in november...

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Lone_Star_Dem  (1000+ posts)       Tue Jan-22-08 02:30 PM
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10. It rose to 6%

The unemployment rate for the state in December rose to 6.0 percent, up from 5.6 percent in November, according to the Ohio Department of Job and Family Services in cooperation with the Bureau of Labor Statistics, U.S. Department of Labor.

http://www.ohio.com/news/break_news/13971082.html

I didn't mean to sound snitty, but in times like these a month can make a difference.

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orleans  (1000+ posts)       Tue Jan-22-08 02:34 PM
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12. i was talking about idaho--not ohio--idaho had the lowest unemployment in november--

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Lone_Star_Dem  (1000+ posts)       Tue Jan-22-08 02:38 PM
Response to Reply #12

15. Sorry I misread

I had Ohio on the brain.

Rose too.

December Unemployment Rate Increases to 3 Percent

http://labor.idaho.gov/news/PressReleases/tabid/294/ctl...

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orleans  (1000+ posts)       Tue Jan-22-08 02:43 PM
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19. thanks. that's still pretty low. i wonder if they are still the lowest? 

(what is larry craig doing for business in his state that other senators are not? i hate to guess...)

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wiggs (1000+ posts)      Tue Jan-22-08 02:30 PM
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11. Aren't these figures artificially low because the rules were changed to move more people out of the "umemployed" ranks sooner if they didn't find a job? I seem to remember that people looking for work have a certain amount of time, then they are taken off the unemployment list. So these figures may represent "new" unemployed?

Recollection fuzzy on this....

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flashl  (1000+ posts)      Tue Jan-22-08 02:36 PM
Response to Reply #11

14. IIRC, its the U2 (folks getting unemployment pay) vs U3  (folks w/o pay and looking). U3 is higher.

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knitter4democracy  (1000+ posts)      Tue Jan-22-08 02:36 PM
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13. Yup. I figured we were the bottom of the stack.

Heck, I think it's higher than 7.4%, actually. I'm hearing of many people in our area who've been out of work for too long to be counted. Then you have underemployment, and our state is screwed.

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slampoet (969 posts)      Tue Jan-22-08 02:41 PM
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17. Hell, when i lived in Michigan it was the Height of the Dot Com boom and I was still underemployed.
 
I can't imagine what it is like now.

And on it goes.
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