Fetterwoman Ozz debate.. DUmp struggling with this.

[RuralNc]

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100217285440

elleng (119,880 posts)


***LIVE FEED of FETTERMAN debate:

https://phl17.com/2022-united-states-senate-election-in-pennsylvania/live-at-8pm-fetterman-oz-to-battle-in-exclusive-pennsylvania-senate-debate/

Welp, PA got what the D. party has fought off for as long as possible. A televised debate of Oz and Fetterwoman. As one might expect, leading up to this, the Muppets were all in that Fetterwoman would wipe the stage with Oz. Based on the Tweeters, and the Interwebs, this doesnt exactly seem to be the case.

Im not bringing it all over.. but heres a good sampling.

secondwind (16,083 posts)

4. Fetterman seems to be a little "off", he doesn't appear to be

confident, please tell me I’m wrong!!!

BlueTsunami2018 (2,621 posts)

18. Debating has never really been Fetterman's strong suit.

He’s a retail politician. He’s obviously having trouble here.

What the hell is a retail politician? Anyways, saying that debating is not his strong suit? Why? You mean like when the Moderator directly called out Fetterwomans inconsistency on Fracking? Fetterwoman didnt even have an answer? I guess the moderator was just being a bully?

Stinky The Clown (65,212 posts)

31. It pains me to say it, but Fetterman is not coming across as strong or confident. He . . . . . .

. . . . . sounds like a man who has had a recent stroke.

Can QuackQuack pull this out? I think he can. Sucks, but he can, I suspect.

Its ok Stinky. The burning sensation you feel. Get used to it. 

Im sure the coming days will bring laugh inducing editorials on this subject. 

[Ralph Wiggum]

A touch surprised that the DUmp monkeys haven't adopted the "he out performed expectations" mantra.

Didn't watch, but any rational non lib-turd could recognize beforehand that Fetter "Woman" might be less coherent than Great-Grandpa Joey.

And while I sympathize with his/her medical issues, it are the political views that I disagree with. The lump on his neck are a different discussion.

[Ralph Wiggum]

This is a 20ish year old song, but I keep thinking about it when I noticed that reverse goiter on Fetterwoman's skull:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_sj_U6vObUA

[67 Rover]

What's disturbing is that Fetterman was still more coherent than Brandon. Fetterman debating was like listening to an elephant seal barking.

[RuralNc]

A touch surprised that the DUmp monkeys haven't adopted the "he out performed expectations" mantra.

Didn't watch, but any rational non lib-turd could recognize beforehand that Fetter "Woman" might be less coherent than Great-Grandpa Joey.

And while I sympathize with his/her medical issues, it are the political views that I disagree with. The lump on his neck are a different discussion.

Oh I agree. I dont mock the Man for having a Stroke. I have had relatives that have had strokes, and its no laughing matter. What I do mock is how his Campaign and loyal devotees have carried this out. I think it went something like this:

1. He is a-ok. Nothing to to see. Stroke? Youre crazy to believe that..

2. Yeah. He had a minor Stroke that nearly killed him. But he is a-ok. Nothing to see..

3. Damn you Rethugs. He is a Disabled American. If you dont vote him you are proving you hate disabled people..

I think that sums it up. Now, his politics. He is another Bernie Sanders.

[SVPete]

Both of my parents had strokes. Both were affected seriously and for the rest of their lives, though not all strokes do that. I "get" the tough position and timing of Fetterman's stroke from a D Party POV, but they should not have tried to lie and brazen their way through, concealing from voters that Fetterman was seriously affected. Whether or no he's OK enough to be Senator, the months of lies makes claims he is non-credible with many voters. If enough voters distrust his abilities to vote for Dr. Oz, I won't guess.

Is this an early picture of Fetterman?

[Ralph Wiggum]

Via the left-wing Atlantic:

Tonight’s hour-long exchange was, in some ways, a Rorschach test of comfort with disability. Viewers from outside Pennsylvania tuned in to the broadcast from a local TV studio in Harrisburg to hear the candidates discuss the defining issues of this election cycle—abortion, inflation, gun laws, illegal immigration, energy—but many people queued up the livestream to gawk at one of the candidates. Unfortunately, no disability accommodations—not even 70-inch television monitors for real-time captioning—can change how our society stigmatizes verbal disfluency. We are a culture of sound bites, mic drops, and clapbacks. To speak in any way that deviates from the norm is to summon ridicule and judgment.

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2022/10/fetterman-oz-debate-disability/671863/

[Ralph Wiggum]

Both of my parents had strokes. Both were affected seriously and for the rest of their lives, though not all strokes do that. I "get" the tough position and timing of Fetterman's stroke from a D Party POV, but they should not have tried to lie and brazen their way through, concealing from voters that Fetterman was seriously affected. Whether or no he's OK enough to be Senator, the months of lies makes claims he is non-credible with many voters. If enough voters distrust his abilities to vote for Dr. Oz, I won't guess.

Is this an early picture of Fetterman?

Every time he walks on a stage the Addams Family theme should be playing.

[Karin]

I didn't watch it live, but I saw clips on Redstate and Twitchy, etc. and Oh My God. 

A senator is an extremely important and powerful position.  One guy can decide the impact of all Americans.  He/she needs to be 100%. 

This sounds like it was all the cringe in the world.  Why is his wife letting him do this?

[ABC-2]

I didn't watch it live, but I saw clips on Redstate and Twitchy, etc. and Oh My God. 

  Why is his wife letting him do this?

Same reason Creepy Joe's wife does, I presume.

They both enjoy being in the limelight.

Those two women totally disgust me!   They of all people, know exactly in what mental shape their husbands are.

[SVPete]

Every time he walks on a stage the Addams Family theme should be playing.

I'm a near-geezer, so the TV cast define "The Addams Family", IMO, and Coogan was classic Old Hollywood (a little slime, a little grit, but not loony-toony like current Hollyweird).

I didn't watch it live, but I saw clips on Redstate and Twitchy, etc. and Oh My God. 

A senator is an extremely important and powerful position.  One guy can decide the impact of all Americans.  He/she needs to be 100%. 

This sounds like it was all the cringe in the world.  Why is his wife letting him do this?

Why did HilLIARy push an obvious flawed horndog to run for President? Why did Dr. Jill push an obvious dementia case to run for President? It's the prestige in being next to power, and, in The Chill's case, the possibility of a short-cut to power (the US dodged a 16" super-heavy shell when Trump was elected President!).

[67 Rover]

I didn't watch it live, but I saw clips on Redstate and Twitchy, etc. and Oh My God. 

A senator is an extremely important and powerful position.  One guy can decide the impact of all Americans.  He/she needs to be 100%. 

This sounds like it was all the cringe in the world.  Why is his wife letting him do this?

Can you imagine if the President were just like this guy? Oh wait. Nevermind. 

[67 Rover]

 

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Unfortunately, no disability accommodations—not even 70-inch television monitors for real-time captioning—can change how our society stigmatizes verbal disfluency. We are a culture of sound bites, mic drops, and clapbacks. To speak in any way that deviates from the norm is to summon ridicule and judgment.

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2022/10/fetterman-oz-debate-disability/671863/

There is truth in this, but "verbal disfluency" may not be the extent of Fetterman's problem.

[Ralph Wiggum]

Morning harpies chirp that Dr. Oz bullied Fetterman

"The View" host Sunny Hostin said Wednesday that Republican candidate Mehmet Oz bullied John Fetterman during the Pennsylvania Senate debate.

"It was really strange to me that he chose to bully a stroke victim. He obviously was bullying him and, you know, I don’t think the people of Pennsylvania or the people in general like that because Fetterman raised $1 million after that debate and I think it takes real courage to show that you have been knocked down. I think it takes real bravery to allow people to see your weakness, right?" Hostin said.

She said that Fetterman's cognitive abilities "have not been compromised" and added that it was about "expression" and "aphasia."

She asked why anyone would vote for Oz, whom she called the "wack doctor," after listing Fetterman's political experience.

Alyssa Farah Griffin argued that Fetterman did not seem to have a "grasp on his policy positions." She wondered if it was an issue due to his stroke or just because he doesn't have an explanation for "doing a 180 on fracking."

Whoopi Goldberg said his position on fracking has "twinkled a bit."

[RuralNc]

Morning harpies chirp that Dr. Oz bullied Fetterman

"The View" host Sunny Hostin said Wednesday that Republican candidate Mehmet Oz bullied John Fetterman during the Pennsylvania Senate debate.

"It was really strange to me that he chose to bully a stroke victim. He obviously was bullying him and, you know, I don’t think the people of Pennsylvania or the people in general like that because Fetterman raised $1 million after that debate and I think it takes real courage to show that you have been knocked down. I think it takes real bravery to allow people to see your weakness, right?" Hostin said.

She said that Fetterman's cognitive abilities "have not been compromised" and added that it was about "expression" and "aphasia."

She asked why anyone would vote for Oz, whom she called the "wack doctor," after listing Fetterman's political experience.

Alyssa Farah Griffin argued that Fetterman did not seem to have a "grasp on his policy positions." She wondered if it was an issue due to his stroke or just because he doesn't have an explanation for "doing a 180 on fracking."

Whoopi Goldberg said his position on fracking has "twinkled a bit."

Oh yeah. Dems always have the opportunity to "evolve" on topics.  Its a pretty amazing phenomenon.

[Ralph Wiggum]

I'm a near-geezer, so the TV cast define "The Addams Family", IMO, and Coogan was classic Old Hollywood (a little slime, a little grit, but not loony-toony like current Hollyweird).

Grew up in the 70's and 80's and shows such as "The Addams Family", "Leave it to Beaver", "I Dream of Jeannie", "My Three Sons", and many others were routinely aired on late afternoon daytime TV which explains my familiarity with such a classic genre.

And that Morticia, Carolyn Jones was pretty damn hot.

[DefiantSix]

Grew up in the 70's and 80's and shows such as "The Addams Family", "Leave it to Beaver", "I Dream of Jeannie", "My Three Sons", and many others were routinely aired on late afternoon daytime TV which explains my familiarity with such a classic genre.

And that Morticia, Carolyn Jones was pretty damn hot.

Even as a young teenager, I could see what Gomez saw in her, for sure.

[SVPete]

John Astin played crazy very effectively:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HMxJtMoTnx8

Sounds like they might have been homeschoolers, too!

[RuralNc]

Not going to start another thread, but cant believe it took this long:

https://www.democraticunderground.com/10142985957

867-5309. (1,133 posts)


Fetterman claims errors in closed captioning system during debate

Torchlight (1,606 posts)

11. And yet he still swept the floor with Oz like a broom

Oz walked away from the debate looking even smaller and more ineffectual than usual.

You. Are. Absolutely. Delusional.

[SVPete]

What are the odds the close-captioning system retains both a transcript and times when the text displayed? Festerman was offered two rehearsals to become accustomed to the system, but only chose to do one rehearsal. So his campaign's claim is very likely to be exposed as false.

DUmmies should be asking themselves why Festerman needs to be making excuses.

[ADsOutburst]

Not going to start another thread, but cant believe it took this long:

https://www.democraticunderground.com/10142985957

867-5309. (1,133 posts)


Fetterman claims errors in closed captioning system during debate

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Torchlight (1,606 posts)

11. And yet he still swept the floor with Oz like a broom

Oz walked away from the debate looking even smaller and more ineffectual than usual.

You. Are. Absolutely. Delusional.

I heard that a post-debate poll had 80% of respondents saying Oz won. The betting markets also responded, and not in Fetterman's favor.

He could conceivably still win the election, but no person who isn't bitterly, thoughtlessly partisan thinks he won that debate.

[SVPete]

Fetterman camp says tech errors hampered nominee's debate, host says equip 'functioned as expected'

https://justthenews.com/politics-policy/elections/pennsylvania-debate-host-responds-after-fetterman-campaign-blames-closed

The campaign of Pennsylvania Democratic Senate nominee John Fetterman says the media company that hosted Tuesday night's debate created "errors" in closed captioning, causing problems for Fetterman.

However, the company, Nexstar, says the captioning, which Fetterman needed as a result of stroke this past spring, "functioned as expected."
...
Nexstar communications chief Gary Weitman said the Fetterman's campaign did not take advantage of all opportunities to practice before the debate.

He said Fetterman chose to attend only one rehearsal with the closed-captioning service when he was offered the opportunity for two rehearsals.

"In fact, Nexstar’s production team went to extraordinary lengths to ensure the effectiveness of the closed captioning process, and to accommodate several last-minute requests of the Fetterman campaign," Weitman continued. "The closed captioning process functioned as expected during rehearsal and again during tonight’s debate. ...

[ABC-2]

RE  tiny pic posted from reply #12  today ...

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[RuralNc]

Oh sweet momma. Now, Fetterwoman has a disability. Pretty impressive considering his entire campaign denied his stroke from the beginning.

I just knew they were going to milk this for as much as they could.

1. Either he is disabled, or he is not. Which is it, DUmp?

2. Either he can needs special accommodation, or he does not. Which is it DUmp?

3. Either he needs to be treated with kid gloves, or he does not. Which is it DUmp?

If he is disabled, needs special accommodations, and kid gloves, then the U.S. Senate is NOT the place for him. He CANNOT do the job. He will not be able to accurately represent P.A.

If he does not require any of those aforementioned details, then why is he being given special treatment? He needs to be treated like any other politician.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100217288902

... Fetterman's debate appearance was exciting and validating for many people with disabilities, because it's so rare for political candidates to be candid about disability...

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/10/26/us/politics/disabled-voters-fetterman-debate.html