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You know why there are incels and other DUmmies?
« on: October 23, 2022, 09:42:26 AM »
You know why there are incels and other DUmmies?

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cilla4progress (20,604 posts)

You know why there are incels?

Women don't like those men. Toxic masculinity. We want allies, feminists. Men who don't worry about appearing meek to themselves and others.

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1. Why the hate?

Hatred breeds hate.

Perceptive, but an LPC Noob ... was not well received :-) ... may not be long for DU ...

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25. I don't know why incels hate women so much that they kill them. Can you tell us?

And I do literally mean kill.

Twice at the university I used to live near there were rampages of death. One warm night when my house windows were open I heard sirens away down the freeway — not unusual in and of itself, but these went on and on and on and on, and I finally thought, “There must be one hell of a pileup on the 101.”

Next day I found out some little sicko who couldn’t get a date decided it was the fault of a lot of strangers, and whacked his roomie (male) and someone else, I think a random girl he thought was a cheerleader. Then he got in his car and headed for the Saturday night crowded street where the students hung out — and gunned his engine.

Damn it all to hell, AggressiveCanary. The hatred comes from the incels, not at the incels.

This bar shooting was real (and was not long after another self-described incel in the same SoCal area went on a rampage, running down women with his car). It was also something like 5 or 10 years ago, i.e. nowhere near as common as Hekate broad-brooms "incels" as being.

Responding to Hekate,

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26. Hi, I'm progree, an involuntary celibate, and I don't have any desire to kill women. I have some

women (and men) friends. Some women are involuntary celibates too, by the way. Lots of causes, not all involuntary celibates are bad people, actually most aren't IMHO. Please see number 22 below for examples.

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28. Incels are not the same as involuntary celibates. Incels are those who think they are OWED something

from women and think they have a right to hurt and kill women and girls if they are denied it.

Somebody's playing word games.

And the stereotyping continued. DU-folk cannot handle the fact that real people, and even real demographic groups of people, are far more complex than Prog-stereotypes.
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Re: You know why there are incels and other DUmmies?
« Reply #1 on: October 23, 2022, 10:01:09 AM »
What is an "incel"? It denotes people - stereotypically, men - who want relationships that include sex, but cannot get into such a relationship.

Do incels think they are entitled? Many do. Others are just frustrated at not being "normal".

Are incels violent? The bar shooting to which  Hekate alluded was real, as was the killing spree to which I alluded. Are these typical? Far from it.

The "Free Love" 60s and 70s didn't create incels, but I think that era did normalize casual sexual relationships, and made such an expected "Normal".
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Re: You know why there are incels and other DUmmies?
« Reply #2 on: October 23, 2022, 10:19:50 AM »
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You know why there are incels?

Women don't like those men. Toxic masculinity. We want allies, feminists. Men who don't worry about appearing meek to themselves and others.

Incels are soiboy leftists and that soyness and veganism is what women don't like.

Got some bad news for you DUchebag DUmbass. Real women want toxic masculinity. Women like manly men. Men that are strong of body and mind. Men that are builders, not destructors. It is their DNA.

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Re: You know why there are incels and other DUmmies?
« Reply #3 on: October 23, 2022, 10:41:09 AM »
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Re: You know why there are incels and other DUmmies?
« Reply #4 on: October 23, 2022, 10:57:55 AM »
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34. I think this a social media thing.

In the olden days some people were just bad at romance and they didn't blame anyone but themselves. Everyone these days wants to be a victim.

While the Mutts fight over the last crumbs of what is an Incel vs. incel vs. voluntary vs. involuntary...

Mutt-betsuni slipped that one in. Being a victim seems to be the part of the average DUmp contributor and the D. party.
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Re: You know why there are incels and other DUmmies?
« Reply #5 on: October 23, 2022, 11:34:04 AM »
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14. Lack of socialization + internet toxicity

It's pretty simple. It's not that incel types never existed - socially maladjusted males with few friends, fewer mating prospects, and general resentment and seething anger towards the world. They've long existed and have generally been considered an outlier of typical male behavior.

However, the internet allowed them to find one another.

Whenever you have vaguely shitty or delusional people in an enclosed space, their shittiness and delusions tend to bounce off each other and concentrate. One toxic person is bad. Thirty of them in a room together is a shitstorm waiting to happen.

So where a lot of these people were isolated, socially and physically, because of their lack of social ability, they are now all together feeding off one another and intensifying the resentment and anger that gradually alchemizes into hatred.

You can see this sort of thing in any kind of online community. Stick a bunch of people in a space where all they do is reinforce each other's worst instincts and features all day. Things get batty real, real fast. Doesn't matter what it is. Religion, politics, hobbies (see: gate-keeping), etc.

I have friends who I enjoy a great deal individually, but I avoid activities where they are together. They just feed off each other's vibe and it intensifies into the intolerable. One's sugar, one's spice, and together they're somehow inedible.

So it is with incels. One angry, resentful young man can be creepy or worrisome or weird. A few hundred of them telling each other it's women's fault or society's or what have you, and you've got a brew going that eventually boils over from time to time.


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Replying, not to the thread, but to the above post, we have this bit of denial:

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20. I guess I'm lucky

I don't know anyone like that.

As we all can deduce, nearly everyone it knows is like that.

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Re: You know why there are incels and other DUmmies?
« Reply #6 on: October 23, 2022, 11:39:34 AM »
I have to wonder how much this phenomenon is related to the computer age, on-line gaming, texting, etc… When we were living in our teens and 20’s, you actually had to…gasp!!….talk to a girl and ask her to go out with you and all the fear of being rejected and all that. For several years now, kids text, they don’t talk face-to-face or even on the phone. It’s easier to just fantasize about going out with girls while staying home and playing war video games with your buddies. If you’re in that world, you see videos of couples and all these pretty girls and people having actual human interaction and you become angry because that world doesn’t include you. That people on Facebook present a false illusion that their life is all roses doesn’t even register and certainly doesn’t help. Your video games say violence is an acceptable avenue to express yourself, and so you do.

I’m not saying this is 100% accurate, but it does leave me wondering.

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Re: You know why there are incels and other DUmmies?
« Reply #7 on: October 23, 2022, 12:55:42 PM »
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26. Hi, I'm progree, an involuntary celibate, and I don't have any desire to kill women.

Translation: I'm an overweight slob that has a scraggly neckbeard, wears an overcoat and fedora, calls every woman m'lady and has BO so bad it can knock a buzzard off of a manure pile at a 100 yards.
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Re: You know why there are incels and other DUmmies?
« Reply #8 on: October 23, 2022, 01:41:32 PM »
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20. I guess I'm lucky

I don't know anyone like that.

This is how I feel when someone mentions how bad it is to say "Boys will be boys". I have never heard someone say this, aside from:

1) A Simpsons episode

2) The Student Prince

3) Conversations about the need to stop excusing the way boys/young men behave.

That's it (although I have heard "we all did stupid things when we were young" plenty of times).
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Re: You know why there are incels and other DUmmies?
« Reply #9 on: October 23, 2022, 02:59:29 PM »
Quote from: ADsOutburst on October 23, 2022, 01:41:32 PM
This is how I feel when someone mentions how bad it is to say "Boys will be boys". I have never heard someone say this, aside from:

1) A Simpsons episode

2) The Student Prince

3) Conversations about the need to stop excusing the way boys/young men behave.

That's it (although I have heard "we all did stupid things when we were young" plenty of times).

And that's how the left has become the party of the song "Lola". Sing along if you like, "Girls will be boys and boys will be girls, it's a mixed up, muddled world, except for my Lola".

Even the L's, the G's, and the B's are pissed at the trannies, based on the stories I've read. According to the LGB community the trans folks are garnering far too much attention, even being a miniscule percentage of the general population.
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Re: You know why there are incels and other DUmmies?
« Reply #10 on: October 23, 2022, 03:31:08 PM »
Sympthsical’s Reply #14 makes some sense. When likeminded people group together, they do reinforce and encourage each other. The effect, though, is as toxic or beneficial as the people and their “thing”.
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Re: You know why there are incels and other DUmmies?
« Reply #11 on: October 23, 2022, 04:40:32 PM »
Quote from: SVPete on October 23, 2022, 10:01:09 AM
What is an "incel"? It denotes people - stereotypically, men - who want relationships that include sex, but cannot get into such a relationship.

Do incels think they are entitled? Many do. Others are just frustrated at not being "normal".

Are incels violent? The bar shooting to which  Hekate alluded was real, as was the killing spree to which I alluded. Are these typical? Far from it.

The "Free Love" 60s and 70s didn't create incels, but I think that era did normalize casual sexual relationships, and made such an expected "Normal".

Sex is pretty much like having a meal nowadays.  Until womym hit 35 and realize they have spent their main bio-asset (looks) on the c@ck-carousel and have nothing to show for their lives.  The biological urge for family and reproduction is a VERY real thing and women who wanted career and feminaziism become tatted-up bitter old feminazi hags.
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Re: You know why there are incels and other DUmmies?
« Reply #12 on: October 23, 2022, 05:40:40 PM »
Quote from: Zathras on October 23, 2022, 12:55:42 PM
Translation: I'm an overweight slob that has a scraggly neckbeard, wears an overcoat and fedora, calls every woman m'lady and has BO so bad it can knock a buzzard off of a manure pile at a 100 yards.
You were so close...you forgot the razor scooter and/or heel roller shoes
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20. absolute bullshit. the cave is unspeakably vile.

I don't know how any of you can live with yourselves.

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Re: You know why there are incels and other DUmmies?
« Reply #13 on: October 23, 2022, 07:50:37 PM »
Quote from: freedumb2003b on October 23, 2022, 04:40:32 PM
Sex is pretty much like having a meal nowadays.  Until womym hit 35 and realize they have spent their main bio-asset (looks) on the c@ck-carousel and have nothing to show for their lives.  The biological urge for family and reproduction is a VERY real thing and women who wanted career and feminaziism become tatted-up bitter old feminazi hags.

Yup, and they resent any other woman who wants something different, before and after the 'becoming'.
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Re: You know why there are incels and other DUmmies?
« Reply #14 on: October 23, 2022, 08:08:07 PM »
Quote from: SVPete on October 23, 2022, 03:31:08 PM
Sympthsical’s Reply #14 makes some sense. When likeminded people group together, they do reinforce and encourage each other. The effect, though, is as toxic or beneficial as the people and their “thing”.

Unfortunately, the people at DU think everyone else is engaging in this behavior, but not that they are doing it.
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Re: You know why there are incels and other DUmmies?
« Reply #15 on: October 24, 2022, 01:15:14 PM »
Quote from: landofconfusion80 on October 23, 2022, 05:40:40 PM
You were so close...you forgot the razor scooter and/or heel roller shoes

You forgot the insufferable man-bun. I've asked a number of my female friends (yes, Ralphie has real life friends) if they found dudes who have their hair in a bun to be attractive, and they all said it was a horrible look on a guy.
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Re: You know why there are incels and other DUmmies?
« Reply #16 on: October 24, 2022, 01:37:34 PM »
I guess women don't really like https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cAwI9GXP4LM .
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Re: You know why there are incels and other DUmmies?
« Reply #17 on: October 24, 2022, 11:57:18 PM »
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28. Incels are not the same as involuntary celibates.

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Re: You know why there are incels and other DUmmies?
« Reply #18 on: October 24, 2022, 11:58:39 PM »
Wait until they figure out what MGTOW means.  :rofl:

Guilty. Already lost enough.
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Re: You know why there are incels and other DUmmies?
« Reply #19 on: October 25, 2022, 10:02:57 AM »
Quote from: Rebel on October 24, 2022, 11:58:39 PM
Wait until they figure out what MGTOW means.  :rofl:

Guilty. Already lost enough.

Oh Mercy!  :lmao:

I just looked it up in my "Startpage" Search Engine and got enough sites  to choke a horse!

But after reading just one on the list in it's pathetic entirety, went back to the first one, a dictionary one, and found this ...

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What does MGTOW mean?

MGTOW is an acronym for Men Going Their Own Way, an online social movement and backlash to feminism where men renounce interactions with women and seek to define and live out their masculinity on their own terms.

It is definitely all you need to know about such sad losers!
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