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Star Member kentuck (104,969 posts)https://www.democraticunderground.com/100216636254Will the Committee be so daring as to subpoena Pence and Trump?Before they begin their public hearings?If they do not get testimony from Pence and Trump, is their job incomplete?Or is that a bridge too far for them?
dem4decades (9,173 posts) 1. Will Garland be so daring to do anything? Is the real question.
Star Member abqtommy (14,074 posts) 3. +100 If The Justice Department doesn't have evidence to issue warrants and makearrests right now they haven't been paying attention and are complicit themselves.
Star Member gab13by13 (9,573 posts) 5. John Eastman wrote the document to commit a coup, to overturn a valid election.We have the document in black and white. Eastman is rubbing it in all our faces, he is still involved in the states trying to overturn the 2020 election.Day 106 since the Michigan AG sent the fake elector criminal referral to DOJ. Man oh man if only DOJ would follow up on this fake elector scheme it would lead right to the White House.I truly believe that the most significant way to hold Trump's inner circle accountable is by following up on the fake elector plot.There are fake electors who just don't give a shit, some are running for political office, I believe that one is running for the US Senate from Arizona.
Star Member gab13by13 (9,573 posts) 4. Mark Meadows was subpoenaed,he partially complied by turning over some documents, but the committee subpoenaed him for more. Meadows has ignored the subpoena so the select committee sent a criminal referral to DOJ 134 days ago, still waiting.
Star Member kentuck (104,969 posts) 10. I am willing to concede that this is a very complex investigation...Perhaps the most important investigation in the history of this country.I can see that they may need to take considerable more time than with an "average" investigation.But, if the subpoenas were ignored, it would probably be for a reason? That could be beneficial if the DOJ does have any intent to pursue it to the very top.It will clarify for many citizens just how real is the American justice system?
Ohio Joe (18,256 posts) 7. I doubt they will...TFG would be of no help and it would only give him a platform he does not deserve.Pence... Pence is doing things that make zero sense to me. I don't understand the line he is trying to walk at all. On the one hand, he is still trying to suck up to TFG and the cultists in some insane bid to remain politicly viable when he has got to know those people would just as much kill him. On the other hand, he refused to go along with the coup and has been giving the ok to his staff to fully cooperate with the 1/8 committee:Axios reports that “people in and around former Vice President Mike Pence’s office have been particularly cooperative as the January 6 select committee focuses on what former president Trump was doing during the more than three hours the Capitol was under attack,” according to sources familiar with the testimonies. While Pence’s former chief of staff, Marc Short, was subpoenaed by the House panel, putting the pressure on him to talk, a source familiar with the matter told Axios that Short “would not have cooperated without the approval of Pence.”Other Penceworld individuals who have been happy to help reportedly include former Pence press secretary Alyssa Farah—who went on to serve as White House communications director—and Keith Kellogg, the V.P.’s former national security adviser. Farah, who spoke with the committee several times in 2021, seemed surprised to find out “how much information [the committee] already had,” telling Axios that while those refusing to cooperate “likely are doing so out of complete fealty to Donald Trump and not wanting to piss him off,” it’s clear investigators already have their numbers. “They’re realizing the committee has quite a bit more information than they realized. And their involvement is known to a much greater degree than they realized,” she said.Elsewhere, Axios reports that “some of the most helpful information has come from second- and third-tier administration staff who were not directly involved but were at the White House on January 6 and had access to top administration officials;” those people have been “integral to helping piece together exactly what happened that day,” according to one committee aide.https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2022/01/mike-pence-staff-january-6-committeeIn the end, I don't think they even try to subpoena Pence nor do they need to.
Star Member Emile (4,177 posts) 8. I don't see the DOJ enforcing the subpoenas. Garland has more importantthings like Hunter Biden's laptop!
Star Member gab13by13 (9,573 posts) 11. You forgot one,defending the office of the presidency (under Trump) against E.Jeanne Carroll, who is accusing Trump of defamation. She still has the DNA on her dress from when she claims Trump raped her in a department store change room. Apparently defaming a woman who claims she was raped is an official duty of the presidency.
Star Member brooklynite (77,965 posts) 12. As the legal maxim goes: "Never ask a question you don't know the answer to"The Committee won't call a public witness that they haven't already met with privately.
On June 21, 2019, prior to the release of her book, which detailed the event, Carroll wrote in New York magazine that Donald Trump sexually assaulted her in the fall of 1995 or the spring of 1996 in a Bergdorf Goodman store in New York City.In January 2020, Carroll's attorneys served a request for a DNA sample from Trump to compare against the unidentified male DNA on the black dress she was wearing when she alleged he attacked her.she kept a dress for 24 years and then wanted to do a DNA test? GTFOOH
