We Should Have Pitchforks In The Streets.

[dutch508]

Star Member gab13by13 (9,322 posts)
https://www.democraticunderground.com/100216599836

We Should Have Pitchforks In The Streets.

I had to sigh reading a thread here last night about the Meadows, Lee, Roy, texts back and forth. Posters here were saying, basically, nothing to see, not enough to indict.

For ****'s sake folks, he have evidence of the GQP, the president, and his lawyers, working to overturn the results of a certified, democratic election.

I guarantee everyone, if these people had been Democrats the Magats would have pitchforks in the streets.

Don't blame the MSM, everyone should know it is owned and managed by the right. If people were in the streets with pitchforks the MSM would cover it.

No wonder our country is headed for autocracy.

Don't expect Merrick Garland to save the day, Mike Lee wanted Trump to replace Comey with Merrick Garland. Imagine that.
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Star Member Emile (3,659 posts)

1. At this point I don't look for Trump being arrested. We are suppose

to be happy watching the DOJ prosecute toothless ignorant redneck magats and be satisfied as though justice was served! I don't see this approach as being helpful for the Democratic party in the midterm elections.

Star Member Tickle (586 posts)

4. Why didn't mueller press charges?

Star Member Botany (63,472 posts)

5. Because Bill Barr stopped him with his made up rule, "That you can't indict a sitting President."

However when giving his Congressional testimony Mueller said that Trump would be open to
prosecution when he was no longer President.

BTW everyone of those obstruction charges had to do with links between Trump and Vlad/Russia.

Star Member kentuck (104,869 posts)

3. I do not think that Mike Lee endorsing Merrick Garland for FBI Director .is necessarily a tell-all about Garland.

But I understand your frustration with those folks that never see enough to indict and seem to have given up hope that anything will ever happen.

Also, I think some people are just now looking for their pitchforks.

Star Member gab13by13 (9,322 posts)

7. Kentuck, remember a DUer, Starfishsaver?

He/she claimed to be a Constitutional scholar. I disagreed a lot with Starfishsaver, but he/she was right about one thing, the 1/6 session of Congress to count the Electoral college votes was just a formality, the election had already been certified by the states.

With that thought in mind, what Trump, Lee, Roy, Meadows, Trump's lawyers were doing, scheming to overturn the election was illegal, was against the Constitution.

The Putin party realizes that mistake, the next time they will overturn the results of elections at the state level before the votes are certified. Not one of the coup planners has been held accountable, 1/6 was just practice for the next election.

 

Star Member kentuck (104,869 posts)

17. I remember that poster.

He/She attacked every post I made.

I agree that they were trying to overturn the election. It became "illegal", in my opinion, when they conspired to send alternative (fake) electors from a few selected states, in order to take away the majority of electoral votes from Joe Biden and send it back to the Republican legislatures.

Also, it is true that none of them has been held accountable at this point. But we should keep in mind the "balance of powers" in our Constitution. Either Branch of government can investigate the other but it becomes a sticky wicket when they begin to investigate themselves. The Legislative can investigate the Executive or the Judicial. The Executive can prosecute the Legislative or the Judicial. The Judicial can rule on the legality of either the Executive or the Legislative Branch. The "balance of powers" is important to keep in mind in this investigation, in my opinion.

Star Member Scrivener7 (41,775 posts)

45. She was a troll.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/10181582714

Star Member FailureToCommunicate (12,910 posts)

6. My pitch fork is sharpened, and my torch leans by the door

ready to light and march towards the monster(s).

 

Star Member Duppers (24,173 posts)

8. Yes, "imagine that"!

And, last week on MSNBC, Elie Mystal called Mueller...."an appeasement monkey." He could have added Comey and Garland.

Seems as if no one in power really wants justice done.

Star Member gab13by13 (9,322 posts)

16. Mueller was given a narrow range to operate in by Barr,

Mueller believed that DOJ was following the money.

Mueller indicted or got guilty pleas from 34 people and 3 companies.

Mueller laid out the evidence to indict Trump for the Stormy Daniel's payoff. (individual one)
Mueller laid out the evidence to indict Trump on numerous obstruction of justice crimes.

For those of you who say that Mueller should have indicted Trump, the first thing that Trump would have done was bring up the DOJ memo that one can't indict a sitting president and that issue would have been decided by a right wing partisan Supreme Court.

Ferrets are Cool (15,931 posts)

9. That is very fine rhetoric

Are YOU in the streets with your pitchfork? 99.9% of the people are too busy attempting to keep a roof over their heads and food on the table to be marching.
Not saying we shouldn't be, but I am saying that we wont be.

Star Member gab13by13 (9,322 posts)

11. "Pitchforks in the streets" is a metaphor.

Don't you like to use metaphors? I used the term because people here were blowing off the Lee, Meadows, Roy, texts yesterday.

Lee, Roy, Meadows, Trump, and numerous lawyers spent a month scheming how to overturn a certified election. That pizzed me off, members of the GQP worked with the coup planners, they were members of the coup planners, if we can't even say that, admit that on DU, there is no way we are going to march on the streets.

Congressional GQP members were a part of the coup attempt and that is a BFD.

 

Bernardo de La Paz (41,614 posts)

10. What seems clear frequently does not rise to "beyond a reasonable doubt"


Cases are won on specifics.

Cases are not won because somebody wrote “We must urge the President to tone down the rhetoric, and approach the legal challenge firmly, intelligently and effectively without resorting to throwing wild desperate haymakers, or whipping his base into a conspiracy frenzy,” (Nov 9).

Not even "Everything changes, of course, if the swing states submit competing slates of electors pursuant to state law."

Star Member gab13by13 (9,322 posts)

13. This isn't just about winning cases in court, that's up to Garland.

I am talking about, we have evidence that Congressional members of the GQP were working for at least a month, scheming to overturn a verified, certified election. We have evidence that Hawley and Cruz were part of the scheme, and they in fact played out their part on 1/6.

 

Star Member gab13by13 (9,322 posts)

14. I'm sorry but,

everyone talks about Democrats speaking out, campaigning more. Every Congressional Democrat should be calling out these texts as an attempt to overthrow our democracy. If Democrats need fodder for the campaign, here it is, use it. We want the 2022 election to be a choice between democracy and autocracy and these texts give Democrats the opportunity to push that narrative, because it is true.

The GQP wants to end our democracy, these texts prove it, Democrats need to push this, that's what I mean by pitchforks in the streets.

Star Member gab13by13 (9,322 posts)

38. Garland already has a record you know?

He failed to prosecute Trump for campaign finance violations, (individual one) The statute of limitations has expired.

He failed to prosecute Trump for the numerous obstruction of justice cases that Mueller laid out for him.

He failed to prosecute the pro-Trump, fake company, Cyber Ninjas who violated federal election laws, Title 52 when ballots, voter information, and election equipment and materials were no longer in the possession of election officials. It took a citizens group and local media organization to file a FOIA against the Cyber Ninjas to release documents.

The Cyber Ninjas have refused a judges order to release the documents because the Cyber Ninjas was a fake company with a mailbox for an office. They still have not been held accountable. By not prosecuting the Cyber Ninjas, Garland allowed them to foster the Big Lie and fraudits spread to other states, even having people go door to door looking for voter fraud. All of that was caused by not stopping the Cyber Ninjas.

 

Star Member Baitball Blogger (41,375 posts)

21. They will do it again if we don't establish accountability.

In my local area I have heard since the nineties that the US is not a democracy. It's a Republic. And it's the electorate that votes for the president, not the people.

They were going to abuse that understanding on 1/6, and their people wouldn't have seen anything wrong with it, because they have been planting that seed in their heads since the nineties.

 

Star Member kentuck (104,869 posts)

26. This is such a huge and vital investigation for our country...

I believe that Garland wants all the information out to the public before he proceeds with his investigation and indictments. The people of the country have to understand exactly why he is prosecuting people and what for?

I think he will wait until the Committee's public hearings are over before he begins the serious part of his prosecutions. In my opinion, that is what he is waiting for.

We can all agree that he does not have to wait on the J6 Committee. Even Adam Schiff has said the same.

But, we cannot know for sure until the public hearings are finished.

FreepFryer (6,704 posts)

24. Angry mobs marching thru the streets with weapons to save civil society seems oxymoronic. nt

Star Member gab13by13 (9,322 posts)

29. Ignoring the attempted coup,

by not holding anyone accountable is moronic.

here's my favorite post so far:

Star Member Chainfire (8,830 posts)

44. Tell that to the angry mobs at Lexington and Concord.

Our country was founded by people with real pitchforks in the streets. It may be the only thing that will save it. At some point people people will be forced to make a binary decision; Am I going to be a hammer or a nail?

As Democrats, we pride ourselves in taking the moral high ground and because of that we losing our ability to affect the direction of the country. Every day we move closer to Fascism yet we still want to play nice. In the end we will get what we deserve.

Those weren't mobs. Those were civilian militia who were fighting to defend their [what would become] 2nd amendment rights against a government who they saw as oppressive...

 

[ADsOutburst]

44. Tell that to the angry mobs at Lexington and Concord.

The what now?

Oh right, the battle that resulted when the British tried to seize the Colonials' weapons.

[CollectivismMustDie]

I'm always amazed by threads such as these (the DU op).

I mean...It's one thing to note individual idiocy, of which there is no shortage over there, and I enjoy it. It's another, though, when you find one which so aptly demonstrates and displays the shared idiocy bubble which they all live in...their collective idiocy.

The democrats, the left, and their msm surrogates have spent literally years lying to them about Trump, and they've believed every word of it, which is proven by their own words in that thread. Now they're shitting kittens angry because the people installed into power who they support can't make reality match the lies they've been told. And they desperately search, daily and even hourly, for word from those same lying sources, for hope.

These people would attempt to bail the ocean out with a bucket...into their own boat, if the people that do their thinking for them told them to the right way.

[USA4ME]

Gas is $4+ a gallon.
Food prices has spiked. There’s talk of even more food shortages.
Inflation is out of control.

J6 hearings does nothing to address these things.
Nobody cares.

But keep barking up that wrong tree, lefties.

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[jukin]

I see the mental defects of the DUmp have been issued their talking points from MSNBC. So no matter how stupid and inane they will parrot them until MSNBC issue even more stupid and crazy talking points. 

Stupid people that think they are smart are the easiest to fool. These are the people that you can fool all the time. These "people" are DUmbass DUmpmonkeys.

[freedumb2003b]

I see the mental defects of the DUmp have been issued their talking points from MSNBC. So no matter how stupid and inane they will parrot them until MSNBC issue even more stupid and crazy talking points. 

Stupid people that think they are smart are the easiest to fool. These are the people that you can fool all the time. These "people" are DUmbass DUmpmonkeys.

Operational definition of Dunning-Kruger Syndrome.

[CollectivismMustDie]

I see the mental defects of the DUmp have been issued their talking points from MSNBC. So no matter how stupid and inane they will parrot them until MSNBC issue even more stupid and crazy talking points. 

Stupid people that think they are smart are the easiest to fool. These are the people that you can fool all the time. These "people" are DUmbass DUmpmonkeys.

Trevor at h5 fits that mold perfectly.-

[FlaGator]

There are so many falsehoods that are assumed as fact in that thread that it hurts my head to think about it.

[BannedFromDU]

     Wait until July and August, when it's hotter than hell, gas prices are stuck above $4, food prices are up another 10% from today, and shelves are starting to empty out. Think no one cares about 1/6 now? I am telling you guys: more pain is coming, possibly including a war with Russia thousands of miles from home.

[Kc25]

The what now?

Oh right, the battle that resulted when the British tried to seize the Colonials' weapons.

Wouldn't a mob with weapons, trying to force the government to do something  they want amount to terrorism/insurrection... following DUmmies logic?

[67 Rover]

Star Member FailureToCommunicate (12,910 posts)

6. My pitch fork is sharpened, and my torch leans by the door

ready to light and march towards the monster(s).

Bwahahahahahahaha!!!

[DefiantSix]

Star Member gab13by13 (9,322 posts)
https://www.democraticunderground.com/100216599836

We Should Have Pitchforks In The Streets...

Not a lot of pitchforks - or any other species of farming tool for that matter - in urban, leftist run shitholes, DUmbass.

Maybe the reason you're not seeing pitchforks in the street is that the only forks leftist scum have access to are in the silverware drawer?

[Tess Anderson]

you know, I'm getting really tired of this gab nut and his fixation on Donald Trump and Mark Meadows. Turns out he's just a sick old man:

https://www.mylife.com/ronald-ritsky/e720826230780

nothing much has happened to him since he accidently killed somebody years ago and then had a drag-out lawsuit:

https://casetext.com/case/flickinger-estate-et-al-v-ritsky

also used to post at the dump as "watoos", went bernietard then left.

[USA4ME]

What a swell guy! Too busy eating his ice cream to pay attention to pulling out into the highway, hits a motorcycle rider and kills him, then pleads he couldn’t be held responsible because of a pile of dirt half a football field away.

Typical “it not my fault, it’s never my fault” lefty.

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[dandi]

Wouldn't a mob with weapons, trying to force the government to do something  they want amount to terrorism/insurrection... following DUmmies logic?

And shouldn't that mob be shot down in the streets by the government, as the DUmbasses have so gleefully advocated in recent years?

[SVPete]

There’s a DUmpster thread about the DU thread to which gab13by13 alludes. The Gotcha Trump texts began with, “Use all legal and constitutions means,” or something along those lines. So gab13by13 is POed because DU-folk highlighted those words, pointing out that they made the texts non-gotchas. Poor baby!

As I’ve pointed out on other sites in different contexts, reposting a falsehood in a new thread doesn’t make the falsehood true.

[Rebel]

Anyone want to see what the rare liberal with convictions looks like?


https://rumble.com/embed/vsdmdi/?pub=4

[DefiantSix]

Anyone want to see what the rare liberal with convictions looks like?


https://rumble.com/embed/vsdmdi/?pub=4

No convictions there; the witnesses keep getting suicidal before they can testify. 

[Rebel]

No convictions there; the witnesses keep getting suicidal before they can testify. 

I mean personal conviction. Beholden to one's beliefs. Not a f'n hypocrite. Think back to Little Green Footballs and Matt Drudge who sold out. DUmbasses are the same way as are ALL democrat politicians. I've had the same beliefs since we started this site and even before. I disagree with Jimmy A LOT, but he's never wavered in his views.

[ABC-2]

No convictions there; the witnesses keep getting suicidal before they can testify. 

Ha! Ha!  Clever reply, but also more than likely true!   

    ~ ABC

[Kc25]

And shouldn't that mob be shot down in the streets by the government, as the DUmbasses have so gleefully advocated in recent years?

Of course... if we follow DU logic