The best argument I've heard for the Congressional Committee submitting a Trump

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BigBearJohn (11,319 posts)
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The best argument I've heard for the Congressional Committee submitting a Trump criminal referral:

On MSNBC's "The Beat" today, Neal Katyal, the former Acting Solicitor General of the United States, gives several valid reasons in favor of the Congressional Committee submitting a Trump criminal referral:

"The key thing is just to take a step back and recognize how remarkable it is that a Congressional Committee now appears unanimous in concluding that Donald Trump committed federal crimes. And if 9 bipartisan members of Congress can agree on something like that, I'm pretty sure 12 of our own peers can as well."

"The very fact that you have a Judge Carter opinion means it is not politicized. He is a respected federal judge. [emphasis added]

"The Congressional Committee itself is not politicized. Liz Cheney is on it. Liz Cheney is as far from a Democrat as you can get. My fundamental message to Congress is: I know a referral is not necessary, but it's part of your job. Do your job! [emphasis added] Trump is going to say it's political no matter what, whether Congress refers or not, he says that about every federal judge who disagrees with him even though they are non-partisan and I don't think Democrats should be suckers or the Congressional Committee as a whole, which is bipartisan, should be suckers. Trump always preys on people's weaknesses and if the Congressional Committee doesn't make the referral, we know Trump is going to say he's been acquitted by the Congressional Committee and he's been cleared as innocent. Totally perfect, beautiful and the like."

 

rampartc (4,202 posts)

1. bipartisan? the committee contains no trump loyalists

the jury will have the same kinds of people as ruttenhouse and the michigan kidnappers = enough trumpists to wear out the decent people who want to end it.

 

Star Member gab13by13 (9,204 posts)

2. It is bipartisan,

The Michigan case is apples and oranges. The FBI ****ed up in the Michigan case. The kidnappers got off because they claimed entrapment.

I guess with the logic that we can never get an impartial jury our country is screwed, DOJ may as well only prosecute Democrats.

Star Member KPN (13,343 posts)

6. WTF? They aren't a party. They're a horde of

nutjobs, supremacists and grifters. They don’t deserve the respect that “bipartisan” would convey on them. They aren’t interested in building the nation, they are interested in destroying it and splitting the spoils among themselves. **** them. Do what is right for the nation. Refer TFG to the DOJ; condemn him and the frigging trumpists.

 

Star Member kentuck (104,821 posts)

4. They should send a criminal referral for contempt of Congress...

After they send a subpoena for him to appear and he refuses, then he would be treated like all his other friends who have been subpoenaed. He could not then claim that he was getting "partisan" treatment.

Also, this would not interfere with anything the DOJ was investigating at this time.

It would also put him on the defensive.

Novara (938 posts)

5. He's absolutely right

"...Trump always preys on people's weaknesses and if the Congressional Committee doesn't make the referral, we know Trump is going to say he's been acquitted by the Congressional Committee and he's been cleared as innocent. Totally perfect, beautiful and the like."

Exactly. So make the *******ed referral.

But don't do it until you have very public hearings a la Watergate, splashed across all TV screens so the public knows exactly what that mother****er did and HOW it violates the Constitution left and right and HOW criminal it all is. Use the public's outrage to give the referral momentum.

If they just quietly sneak in a referral without laying it all out for the public - and the world - to see, THEN it will look purely political. OTOH, if the public and the world see how outrageous his crimes are, if gives them a little bit of cover. Sure, it will be called political no matter what. The mere existence of the CRIMES makes this political. But the public has a right to see how *******ed criminal this is. It's in the public's interest to lay it all out. And when the public gets outraged, the referral makes perfect sense and the DoJ can't NOT prosecute the mother****er.

 

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2. It is bipartisan,

The Michigan case is apples and oranges. The FBI ****ed up in the Michigan case. The kidnappers got off because they claimed entrapment.

I guess with the logic that we can never get an impartial jury our country is screwed, DOJ may as well only prosecute Democrats.

1. If you think the committee is anything more than nominally bipartisan, you don't grasp the current state of our politics very well.

2. The "kidnappers" got off because it was entrapment. There were more informants than plotters. These informants had to constantly push the defendants towards committing the act (and encouraged them to attack the Michigan State Capitol). The most obvious case of entrapment in the history of obviousness and entrapment.

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BigBearJohn (11,319 posts)
https://www.democraticunderground.com/100216586310

The best argument I've heard for the Congressional Committee submitting a Trump criminal referral:

On MSNBC's "The Beat" today, Neal Katyal, the former Acting Solicitor General of the United States, gives several valid reasons in favor of the Congressional Committee submitting a Trump criminal referral:

"The key thing is just to take a step back and recognize how remarkable it is that a Congressional Committee now appears unanimous in concluding that Donald Trump committed federal crimes. And if 9 bipartisan members of Congress can agree on something like that, I'm pretty sure 12 of our own peers can as well."

"The very fact that you have a Judge Carter opinion means it is not politicized. He is a respected federal judge.

Were there actual evidence that Trump had committed a real crime, that would be the only "argument" for a criminal referral. So Neal Katyal's "arguments" prove that the 1/6 Kangaroo Kourt Kommittee have no evidence that Trump had committed a real crime.

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The best argument for the Congressional Committee submitting a criminal referral gets dumber thee more I think about it. Bipartisanship in this case only matters if you have a really simple-minded understanding of politics, basically consisting of republicans vs. democrats (instead of the political status quo vs. Trump/populism). By this logic, if republicans voted for it, well then it must real!