Tue Mar 22, 2022, 02:10 PM
Star Member Stinky The Clown (64,183 posts)
I find myself becoming increasingly hawkish with respect to Ukraine
I know and understand the conventional wisdom. Arm the Ukrainians but do not engage directly with Putinian troops. Wait for the Ukrainians to get the job done. Don't give them air cover because NastyVlad could become miffed at us and shoot. A No Fly zone would engage his airplanes and turn NastyVlad into MadVlad and ARMAGEDDON.
This thinking, it seems to me, is exactly what enables him. I mean, really, right now we are playing a game of attrition, waiting for his tanks to run out of gas and his troops to run out of food.
Meanwhile, the country that has BEEN OUR FRIEND is being savaged with actual atrocities and actions that are WAR CRIMES. CRIMES AGAINST HUMANITY. GENOCIDE LIGHT.
But our strategy is to wait and see? Hope for the best?
NNNNOOOOOO
You stand up to bullies. You take your licks. You give your kicks.
Yeahyeah. Nukes.
I really don't think he will do that. He knows that if he does he will lose. The threat is a bigger deterrent to us than actually doing it. He is not stupid, even if he is crazy.
Then there is the whole NATO membership thing. Think about it. If Hungary is a member, why not Ukraine? If Montenegro is a member, why not Ukraine? There are other examples of NATO members less suited to membership than Ukraine. In my view, Ukraine is not a member solely because of Putin. Every other reason is a chickenshit excuse to give some logical reason to our - yes - cowardly exclusion of them to NATO.
So here ya go:
Make Ukraine a NATO member right now.
Issue an ultimatum to Putin.
Be ready to engage in an all out way. OVERWHELMING military might. His military is weak right now. They will fold.
No, I am just an old man with no particular knowledge of what is going on or what the various think tanks think. I simply can not stand by while a nation is being eradicated one citizen at a time.
I am increasingly immune to taunts about suiting up myself and my sons and going off to fight. Have fun with your taunts. They are as meaningful as a fart in a wind storm. I am looking to TALK about this. If you disagree, make a case or ignore this thread. If you agree, rec this thread and speak up.
I simply can't stand what we are NOT doing as a country and as a massive military alliance while another country who has been ON OUR SIDE is being wiped out and its fabric turned to rubble and dust.
As was said on another occasion as a commentator looked on helplessly as humans burned to death before his eyes:
OH THE HUMANITY
Racist Chickenhawk Wants American Minorities to Go Do His Bidding Against Russia in Ukraine....that's how they characterized Iraq, anyway, in spite of the truth.
The operative quotes:
No, I am just an old man with no particular knowledge of what is going on or what the various think tanks think. I simply can not stand by while a nation is being eradicated one citizen at a time.
So, yo uhave no idea what's going on, but you want war? Wow. Also, not only CAN you stand by, but you plan to while young men you don't know go to die so you can feel better. You are a coward.
I am increasingly immune to taunts about suiting up myself and my sons and going off to fight. Have fun with your taunts. They are as meaningful as a fart in a wind storm. I am looking to TALK about this. If you disagree, make a case or ignore this thread. If you agree, rec this thread and speak up.
Go fight yourself, or shut the **** up. Pretty simple.
Other fighters in the Least Masculine, Most Inept Military Outfit of All Time:
Star Member world wide wally (20,776 posts)
4. I am right there with you.
In the words of Led Zeppelin's bass player, John Paul Jones, "Damn the torpedoes. Full speed ahead. "
I am sick of the bully shoving people around.
Star Member Hekate (75,109 posts)
13. My rationale for us getting involved is this: Putin will not stop unless US and NATO make him stop
Appeasement has not worked and will not work. Putin is trying to create WWIII every day already.
I am reminded of Frank Zappa, of all people: "Wars are really ugly, they're dirty and they're cold / I don't want nobody to shoot me in the foxhole"
Go fight, Stinky. What's stopping you, other than your own cowardice?