Author Topic: Is Russia a legitimate permanent member of the UN Security Council?  (Read 1230 times)

0 Members and 1 Guest are viewing this topic.

Offline dutch508

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 12576
  • Reputation: +1729/-1068
  • Remember
Quote
Star Member AntiFascist (11,663 posts)
https://www.democraticunderground.com/100216401027

Is Russia a legitimate permanent member of the UN Security Council?

According to this article, the UN Charter names the Soviet Union, not Russia:

https://theconversation.com/ukraine-invasion-should-russia-lose-its-seat-on-the-un-security-council-177870

But is Russia validly there at all? This is Ukraine’s question. The UN Charter says that the USSR, not Russia, is the permanent member. While no permanent member of the Security Council has ever been removed, two have changed – and it is worth analysing how and why, not just for the current crisis but for the next one surely coming over Taiwan.

 :thatsright:

Quote
Star Member SheltieLover (36,207 posts)

1. Use this to kick them out!

 :thatsright: :thatsright:

Quote
Star Member HUAJIAO (1,721 posts)

4. I read a long article on this very question this afternoon.

It included a lot of geographical and political history.
The upshot of it was that, although showing arguments for both sides, no conclusion was reached other than-- this is indeed a valid question !

Quote
Star Member AntiFascist (11,663 posts)

6. I agree, it should be a valid question...

since many of the former Soviet states are now members of NATO.

By acknowledging Russia as the successor to the Soviet Union, the UN would seem to be lending legitimacy to Putin's argument that Ukraine should be considered part of the Russian empire (such as it is).

Quote
marie999 (2,895 posts)

10. That's right let's kick the country with the second most powerful military out of the UN.

Let's stop all diplomatic channels to the Russian Federation.

 :whatever:
The torch of moral clarity since 12/18/07

2016 DOTY: 06 Omaha Steve - Is dying for ****'s face! How could you not vote for him, you heartless bastards!?!

Offline SVPete

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 29347
  • Reputation: +3232/-248
Re: Is Russia a legitimate permanent member of the UN Security Council?
« Reply #1 on: February 26, 2022, 04:06:19 PM »
Quote
Star Member AntiFascist (11,663 posts)
https://www.democraticunderground.com/100216401027

Is Russia a legitimate permanent member of the UN Security Council?

According to this article, the UN Charter names the Soviet Union, not Russia:

 :thatsright:  :mental:  :thatsright:  :mental:  :thatsright:  :mental:  :thatsright:  :mental:  :thatsright:  :mental:  :thatsright:  :mental:  :thatsright:  :mental:  :thatsright:  :mental:  :thatsright:  :mental:  :thatsright:  :mental:  :thatsright:  :mental:  :thatsright:  :mental:  :thatsright:  :mental:  :thatsright:  :mental:  :thatsright:  :mental:  :thatsright:  :mental:  :thatsright:  :mental:  :thatsright:  :mental:  :thatsright:  :mental:  :thatsright:  :mental:  :thatsright:  :mental:  :thatsright:  :mental:  :thatsright:  :mental:
If The Vaccine is deadly as anti-Covid-vaxxers claim, millions now living would have died.

Offline dutch508

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 12576
  • Reputation: +1729/-1068
  • Remember
Re: Is Russia a legitimate permanent member of the UN Security Council?
« Reply #2 on: February 26, 2022, 04:24:27 PM »
After the dissolution of the Soviet Union in 1991, Russia was recognized as the legal successor state of the Soviet Union and maintained the latter's position on the Security Council.
The torch of moral clarity since 12/18/07

2016 DOTY: 06 Omaha Steve - Is dying for ****'s face! How could you not vote for him, you heartless bastards!?!

Offline DLR Pyro

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 9370
  • Reputation: +1544/-29
Re: Is Russia a legitimate permanent member of the UN Security Council?
« Reply #3 on: February 26, 2022, 04:46:41 PM »
Do the DUmmies neither have access to or know how to use the Google machine?

re: the Belovezh Accords...

Quote
The Summit of Alma-Ata also issued a statement on 21 December 1991, supporting Russia's claim to be recognized as the successor state of the Soviet Union for the purposes of membership of the United Nations. On 25 December 1991, Russian President Yeltsin informed UN Secretary-General Javier Pérez de Cuéllar that the Soviet Union had been dissolved and that Russia would, as its successor state, continue the Soviet Union's membership in the United Nations. The document confirmed the credentials of the representatives of the Soviet Union as representatives of Russia and requested that the name "Soviet Union" be changed to "Russian Federation" in all records and entries. This was a move designed to allow Russia to retain the Soviet Union's permanent Security Council seat, which would not have been possible if the former republics were all reckoned as equal successors of the Soviet Union, or if the Soviet Union was regarded as having no successor state for the purpose of continuing the same UN membership (see Russia and the United Nations). The Secretary-General circulated the request, and there being no objection from any Member State, the Russian Federation took the Soviet Union's UN seat. On January 31, 1992, Russian Federation President Yeltsin personally took part in a Security Council meeting as representative of Russia, the first Security Council meeting in which Russia occupied the permanent Security Council seat originally granted to the Soviet Union by the UN Charter.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Belovezh_Accords#:~:text=On%2025%20December%201991%2C%20Russian,membership%20in%20the%20United%20Nations.
Biden is an illegitimate President.  Change my mind.

Police lives matter.

Basking in the glow of my white privilege

ProudDad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Wed Mar-09-11 08:50 PM
64.I'd almost be willing to get a job in order to participate in
A NATIONAL GENERAL STRIKE
  https://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x4763020

Offline USA4ME

  • Evil Capitalist
  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 14835
  • Reputation: +2476/-76
Re: Is Russia a legitimate permanent member of the UN Security Council?
« Reply #4 on: February 26, 2022, 05:03:21 PM »
What would it matter? Without Russia to veto, the UN would have sent out another toothless, spineless warning. How is that any different than sending nothing at all?

Leftists can’t think beyond a second ahead of them, if that far.

.
Because third world peasant labor is a good thing.

Offline fatboy

  • Does this gun make me look fat?
  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 2428
  • Reputation: +616/-54
  • skinnier than the average primitive
Re: Is Russia a legitimate permanent member of the UN Security Council?
« Reply #5 on: February 26, 2022, 05:12:01 PM »
Lets get Bernie Sanders to make a ruling on this.
"We will bring back our jobs. We will bring back our borders. We will bring back our wealth - and we will bring back our dreams!" -President Donald J. Trump 1/20/17

Online DefiantSix

  • Captain, IKS Defiant
  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 18645
  • Reputation: +1987/-189
  • "Set Condition One throughout the ship."
Re: Is Russia a legitimate permanent member of the UN Security Council?
« Reply #6 on: February 26, 2022, 07:53:27 PM »
"Stand your ground. Don't fire unless fired upon, but if they mean to have a war, let it begin here."
-- Capt. John Parker

"I'm not looking for forgiveness, and I'm way past asking permission"
-- Capt. Steve Rogers

"In this present crisis, government is not the solution to our problem, government IS the problem."
-- Ronaldus Magnus

Offline jukin

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 16224
  • Reputation: +2107/-170
Re: Is Russia a legitimate permanent member of the UN Security Council?
« Reply #7 on: February 27, 2022, 06:19:27 PM »
If only we had the intellectual brainpower of the DUmp at the state department. Being the state department there might be a slight uptick in collective IQ thought.
When you are the beneficiary of someone’s kindness and generosity, it produces a sense of gratitude and community.

When you are the beneficiary of a policy that steals from someone and gives it to you in return for your vote, it produces a sense of entitlement and dependency.

Offline FiddyBeowulf

  • "Its on, its off, its on, its off." "That is called blinking, boys."
  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 5271
  • Reputation: +523/-34
Re: Is Russia a legitimate permanent member of the UN Security Council?
« Reply #8 on: February 28, 2022, 12:19:25 PM »
Quote
Star Member AntiFascist (11,663 posts)
https://www.democraticunderground.com/100216401027

Is Russia a legitimate permanent member of the UN Security Council?
Who cares who is or is not a "legitimate" member of an organization that should be shutdown?
 
Fire...BAD!!! - John Fetterman


The policies that are indorsed by this party, that they backer of which are much of the 1 percent, causes a social structure much like the one back before the Revolution.

-Words of wisdom from Lady Freedom Returns

"Arguing with liberals...it's like playing chess with a pigeon; no matter how good I am at chess, the pigeon is just going to knock over the pieces, crap on the board and strut around like it's victorious." -- Anonymous

"A hat should be taken off when you greet a lady and left off for the rest of your life. Nothing looks more stupid than a hat." - P. J. O'Rourke