Manhattan DA prosecutors call it quits, Trump will skate again, IMO.

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Star Member gab13by13 (7,925 posts)
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Manhattan DA prosecutors call it quits, Trump will skate again, IMO.

Alvin Bragg appears to be a Cy Vance clone, another failure to indict Donald Trump.

I have no more words, someone else cut and paste the bad news.

 

 

Star Member dhol82 (9,054 posts)

1. Just heard this

What the everliving freak is going on here?
Who’s paying off whom?
Is there anybody who can investigate this shit show?

PoliticAverse (25,258 posts)

2. See the DU LBN post for more...

https://democraticunderground.com/10142875688

Star Member brooklynite (76,444 posts)


2 Prosecutors Leading N.Y. Trump Inquiry Resign, Clouding Case's Future
Source: New York Times

The two prosecutors leading the Manhattan district attorney’s investigation into former President Donald J. Trump and his business practices abruptly resigned on Wednesday amid a monthlong pause in their presentation of evidence to a grand jury, according to people with knowledge of the matter, throwing the future of the high-stakes inquiry into serious doubt.

The prosecutors, Carey R. Dunne and Mark F. Pomerantz, submitted their resignations after the new Manhattan district attorney, Alvin Bragg, indicated to them that he had doubts about moving forward with a case against Mr. Trump, the people said.

Mr. Pomerantz confirmed in a brief interview that he had resigned, but declined to elaborate. Mr. Dunne declined to comment.

Without Mr. Bragg’s commitment to move forward, the prosecutors late last month postponed a plan to question at least one witness before the grand jury, one of the people said. They have not questioned any witnesses in front of the grand jury for more than a month, essentially pausing their investigation into whether Mr. Trump inflated the value of his assets to obtain favorable loan terms from banks.

 

rso (1,415 posts)

1. Trump

I wonder if someone got to Alvin Bragg.

moniss (309 posts)

2. Obvious

what is going on here. Alvin wants a payday.

Star Member essaynnc (539 posts)

3. WTF???

Were they threatened? Bribed? It would only take a million or two to buy off a prosecutor or purchase a hit man. This sucks. We need details.

Star Member BlueTsunami2018 (2,129 posts)

4. He's going to get away with everything.

My faith in the justice system, never very strong to begin with, is completely gone.

These mother****ers never pay the piper.

Star Member brooklynite (76,444 posts)

7. Wow, 6 conspiracy theories in 6 responses. I think that's a new record.

Star Member winstars (4,128 posts)

8. So then whats the actual reason/not conspiracy theory then??? You're plugged in...

Thanks!

Star Member tenderfoot (7,107 posts)

32. Notice that he couldn't be bothered to answer your question.

 

Star Member Hoyt (52,308 posts)

13. Not surprising. Will be costly to try trump and little chance of a jury

convicting him.

Star Member brooklynite (76,444 posts)

25. Like there was a Trumper on the Derek Chauvin trial? Or the Travis McMichael trial?

This is the MANHATTAN DA. The pool of jurors supporting Trump would be vanishingly small.

Star Member turbinetree (22,140 posts)

14. Where is the state of NY on this matter, this does not sound right at all....

and Alvin Bragg, has doubts about the case going forward....

The Times, citing people familiar with the matter, reported that Alvin Bragg, the new Manhattan district attorney, has indicated having doubts about continuing to build a case against Trump.

dem4decades (8,714 posts)

16. The good news for Federal Prosecutors, they won't have to resign, there never was a Trump

investigation at DOJ. Mueller, Manhattan DA, Russian money laundering, DOJ, just add in Santa Claus and the Easter Bunny and you have the whole picture.

Star Member JohnSJ (82,207 posts)

27. Did they resign in protest? Even that isn't clear.

Star Member hamsterjill (13,187 posts)

26. The next time anyone chastises me for worrying that Trump won't be charged...

Well, there shouldn’t be a next time.

Trump? Putin? Threatened the families?

If that’s a conspiracy theory, then what’s the explanation for the resignations?

Star Member Mr. Ected (8,117 posts)

30. Is this the criminal side of the same investigation that Letitia James is pursuing

On the civil side?

It seemed the evidence was beginning to pile up; now there's not enough to warrant a grand jury investigation?

WTH?

Thomas Hurt (11,620 posts)

38. Hmm, so if this was just a dud case and had little chance of success why did the prosecutors resign?

DAs make decisions every day that a case is not going to be worth going to trial. If that was the only reason they bailed DAs offices would be turnstiles for attys. WTF.

 

Star Member JohnSJ (82,206 posts)

4. Bragg said he would not prosecute lessor crimes, and his office announced they

would seek lesser charges for burglaries and store robberies where the offender "displays a dangerous instrument but does not create a genuine risk of physical harm."

I have a problem with a district attorney’s like this

The SF district attorney, Chesa Boudin is getting recalled for a similar philosophy

 

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Star Member Mr. Ected (8,117 posts)

30. Is this the criminal side of the same investigation that Letitia James is pursuing

On the civil side?

It seemed the evidence was beginning to pile up; now there's not enough to warrant a grand jury investigation?

WTH?

let me see if I can explain it for you in terms you may understand:

THERE IS NO THERE THERE.

Got it now DUmmy?

[67 Rover]

I will go with Occam's razor and say they had absolutely no case against President Trump. 

[Mr Mannn]

Lucy pulls the football again. All their hopes dashed in one fell blow.

[Ralph Wiggum]

[SVPete]

Unlike the Court of DUpinion, criminal courts require charging with an actual crime, and evidence to support the charge.

[CollectivismMustDie]

I have no more words, someone else cut and paste the bad news.

That's too bad, because...




 

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I have no more words, someone else cut and paste the bad news.

And that pretty much sums up the left; somebody else do it!

[SVPete]

My WAG (Wild Ass Guess) is that the resigned prosecutors were out to get Trump, whether or not they had a case - i.e. partisan lawfare - and Bragg took a serious look at the case and pointed out that it was dubious or worse. So the partisan lawfare warriors left in a snit.

Of course, my WAG and a Hamilton will get you a latte and change at Dutch Bros.

[fatboy]

Star Member Mr. Ected (8,117 posts)

30. Is this the criminal side of the same investigation that Letitia James is pursuing

On the civil side?

It seemed the evidence was beginning to pile up; now there's not enough to warrant a grand jury investigation?

WTH?

Criminal side, civil side and the obvious third choice, the backside.

All of a sudden, Letitia James doesn't look so smart.

[USA4ME]

As someone who has been in finance for 40 years, this case never made sense.

It’s up to the lender to make sure the asset securing the loan has the value which is in keeping with the amount you’re lending. I’m going to have to believe that’s the case or otherwise, why lend?

If the payments are being made on the loan, where’s the grievance?

If the payment is in default, that is a different matter, but it has nothing to do with the agreed upon value of the property between the borrower and the lender.

If Trump’s company, or anyone for that matter, agreed to lend on a property that’s grossly inflated in value, that’s not Trump’s companies problem. The lender should have done their due diligence.

There never was any there, there. The DA recognized that it’s a dead end case and doesn’t want his name smeared bringing forth worthless charges, especially against a former President.

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[USA4ME]

Calista241

He's manipulated the values of properties based upon what brings him the most benefit. The IRS got a lower value than insurance companies, or banks that provided loans based upon the value of those assets. This brought an unearned benefit of paying lower taxes than what was legally required. i.e Tax fraud

https://democraticunderground.com/10142875688

If that’s the case, then I and most Americans are guilty of tax fraud. I can tell you right now that the IRS, the country, and the State all have a value of my personal residence that is at a significantly lower value than insurance companies or banks. According to the value the insurance company and banks have placed on my property vs what the County, State, and IRS has, I have an unearned benefit of paying lower taxes than what is legally required, i.e. Tax fraud.

But that’s not how it works.

The Calista241 is either completely uninformed or a liar. I’m going with partisan ideologue who is willing to lie to justify their worthless viewpoints.

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[FlaGator]

Just because someone is being investigated does not mean they are guilty. The point of an investigation is to find evidence and if you investigate and find no evidence then no one gets charged.