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Our history lessons were alternate facts.
« on: February 21, 2022, 10:01:02 PM »
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Time for some of us oldies to accept the truth. Our history lessons were alternate facts.

Think about how so much of the history we were taught in schools was meant to be "neutral," but not based on facts. Columbus day gave Italian-Americans a day to be proud of, until someone pointed out that claiming he discovered America was a bit of an overreach because he only made it to the Bahamas. And whether he treated the natives fairly or cruelly is up for debate.

Thanksgiving is an example of intentional historical tom-dickery. We grew up feeling warm and happy that Indians came together with Pilgrims. Until some douchery white person pointed out that the Pilgrims put that meal together on their own and because the Pilgrims began shooting guns in celebration, it attracted the Indians who invited themselves to the feast. Yes, that was actually on a show. Maybe even on the History channel. Of course, because of that new narrative, the history of Thanksgiving was further researched and it was discovered that Thanksgiving was a metaphorical cannibalistic exercise. First they threw a feast for an Indian friend, and later they skewered him. So typical.

And Cinco de Mayo. I guess that was bone thrown to the latin american community. But, really, how many Americans of all colors grew up believing that Cinco de Mayo was Mexico's Independence Day? It became a day of celebration where Tequila sales soared to celebrate one major battle in the history of Mexico.

We don't have to go into detail to talk about Black History. No really, according to conservative white folk, we don't. Anything outside of the fact that slaves did better working on the fields, than they did as free men and women is now legally actionable.

This is the kind of inadequate history lessons that helped our white friends make it through another day in class, with us sitting next to them.

But, many were getting lessons of their own in households that were ruled by racist white fathers. Enough so that at least one of them, in a conversation on race, exposed two beliefs that I never heard about in school. First, that African countries used slaves and traded them, (this we did know) which justified the fact that America followed suit (Did not see that one coming). And that it is up to white people in the military to defend America because they don't hesitate to pull the trigger, regardless of who they're supposed to put down.

My head was ready to explode. I wonder what else they were taught quietly under those racist roofs. Neutralize us in schools, while they are taught lessons of hate at home.

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1. Among the biggest challenges

in teaching history are:

1. Since the advent of history (way back in ancient Greece), history has been used to give people a sense of who they are as countries.

2. The age and cognitive level of the student makes presenting certain subjects and concepts a challenge. Some kids do not have the emotional and cognitive level to absorb certain subjects. For example, I presented King Leopold II and his atrocities in a high school world history class. This image:



generated calls by parents to the school

3. Parents - - - so many parents view the history they learned decades ago as the gospel truth and anything that is contrary to those lessons, frankly, is wrong.

My grad school advisor told me that history really doesn't start to get taught until between jr/sr year in high school and freshman year of colleges/universities. Colleges and universities can really teach the subject more in depth but it is that depth that draws the ire of politicians and ideologues.

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4. one of the best things about coming of age in the 70s/80s

...is that those myths had already begun unraveling.

Moreover, I grew up with myriad revolutionary impulses and avenues to choose from, unlike folks in the 50s/60s who really had to invent their own resistance, often against great odds, in an abject minority of opinion or will.

Never really listened to anyone, blocked them all out, set my own course. I suppose I was lucky in that independence of thought. Might have come from the glaring inconsistencies and contradictions, like discrimination against hiring me, or other intimidations intended to keep me from exercising my free will, or participation, or rightful possessions.

I've found that people question these origins or myths more when they have less stake in defending them.

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Re: Our history lessons were alternate facts.
« Reply #1 on: February 22, 2022, 07:55:50 AM »
These are the people who accuse us of being traitors who hate America.
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Re: Our history lessons were alternate facts.
« Reply #2 on: February 22, 2022, 08:59:48 AM »
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Time for some of us oldies to accept the truth. Our history lessons were alternate facts.

Think about how so much of the history we were taught in schools was meant to be "neutral," but not based on facts. Columbus day gave Italian-Americans a day to be proud of, until someone pointed out that claiming he discovered America was a bit of an overreach because he only made it to the Bahamas 1.. And whether he treated the natives fairly or cruelly is up for debate 2.

1. Evidently Star Moron Baitball Blogger is ignorant of the fact that Columbus made several voyages (3?), in which he landed on Cuba and the South American mainland (among other places). For many DUpipo, Ignorance is the state in which they reside.

2 IOW, there is no evidence that shows that Columbus, for all his lack of competence as a governor, approved of or knew of mistreatment of indigenous Caribbeans ... if it even happened during his governorship.
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Re: Our history lessons were alternate facts.
« Reply #3 on: February 22, 2022, 10:40:23 AM »
Slowly working on a book I came across a while back (Lies My Teacher Told Me) that I knew going in was leftist propaganda, but it, and the usual moonbattery remind me that the left has no concept of how kids think and grow.  They believe if you shove the "right" facts into those skulls full of mush, the kids, regardless of age, maturity, and ability just understand everything perfectly (the way the moonbats want them to think).  You can't explain all the details of Columbus' journeys, interactions with the Native Americans he met (good and bad), his and other Europeans motives, ect to little kids.  They cannot process all of it.  But you have to start somewhere.  From an admittedly eurocentric view, a good place to start is "Columbus discovered America" in grade school.  As the kids mature, get more information, and develop more thinking skills (not that schools are working on those) we can introduce more details and more nuances, most of which would come in high school, some little bits in middle school. 

That all applies to the Pilgrims, Thanksgiving, slavery in the Americas, the American Revolution, the Constitution, the Civil War, the Civil Rights movement, ect ect.  But the proggies and moonbats don't care about any of that.  The proggies just want good little indoctrinated, distracted worker bees and the moonbats just want to be indoctrinated so they don't have to be bothered with thinking on their own. 
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Re: Our history lessons were alternate facts.
« Reply #4 on: February 22, 2022, 11:02:06 AM »
Our history lessons were alternate facts only if you are a recent graduate of the indoctrination centers known as schools.
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Re: Our history lessons were alternate facts.
« Reply #5 on: February 22, 2022, 11:50:48 AM »
IRL, during my school days it was made clear, though not Lib-style, that there were indigenous peoples wherever Columbus landed, whom he called "Indios". So obviously "discovered" meant in reference to what was known in Europe at the time. Also IRL, the likelihood that Leif Ericson had been to what is now Canada and had briefly planted a colony almost 5 centuries earlier was mentioned in classes.

Looking at W'pedia, in his first of 4 voyages, Columbus landed in the Bahamas, Cuba, Hispaniola (the island with modern Haiti and the Dominican Republic).

His second voyage included visits in the Antilles, Puerto Rico, Jamaica, and further exploration of Cuba and Hispaniola, including starting a settlement on the latter.

His third voyage included some exploration of the coast of modern Venezuela and nearby islands, and a stop at the settlement in Hispaniola.

Along with places already mentioned, Columbus' fourth voyage explored the coast of Central America, from modern Panama to the north coast of modern Honduras.

IOW, it is Star Moron Baitball Blogger who is ignorant of what Columbus did, as well as how it was taught in US schools in the pre-PC days.
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