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Jeff Bezos' new Lord of the Rings show is angering fans because it has Black dwarves

Jeff Bezos’ new Lord of the Rings show is angering fans because it has Black dwarves. Seriously.
By Christiaan Hetzner
February 19, 2022 6:00 AM CST

Amazon’s new big budget Lord of the Rings series may be months away from its streaming debut in September, yet a battle is already erupting over Middle-earth.

Coveting the phenomenal success of HBO’s Game of Thrones, Jeff Bezos is investing a fortune to grow Prime Video’s 200 million subscriber base by bringing J.R.R.’s Tolkien’s unparalleled fantasy world-building to life on the small, streaming screen.

However, when the first trailer for Prime's tentpole LOTR epic, dubbed The Rings of Power, dropped on Super Bowl Sunday, Amazon Studios sparked uproar after the all-white, heavily male casts from previous film depictions made way for a more inclusive Tolkien retelling.

Rather than the image of a slender Galadriel dressed in her ethereal gossamer gown that Peter Jackson chose for his Tolkien trilogies, the Lady of Lothlórien was instead portrayed charging a field atop her steed, clad in full armor. All new characters that never appeared in the author's works were introduced, including Arondir the elf, and the dwarven princess Disa, both portrayed by a Latinx and Black actor respectively.

No, fans are annoyed that the works of Tolkien are being ignored just to fulfill a quota. The amount of material in JRRT books is so vast that you really couldn't do the tales justice, but in order to be woke Amazon is just changing shit to change shit.

Dwarves are described in detail, being bearded in both male and female sexes. Amazon's dwarf by 'a latinx' is not. AND, being from a subterranean species. is pigmented very darkly. Odd choice, unless you are just trying to piss fans off.

Likewise,  Elves are of several 'races', from very very fair, so dark haired and darker complexion, Itialian-esque, so to speak. Tolkien does talk of Dark Elves, but doesn't go into detail on them. BUT, the elf in question is portrayed as a Silvan elf, the most fair of the elvish nations... and is played by a black actor.

eh...

but what really annoys fans is that Galadriel is shown as a powerful strong woman warrior...

... which she is most defiantly not in Tolkien's books.

add to the fact that the studio came out as soon as the trailer hit calling anyone who had a problem with the show, racists and sexists... a la 'Ghostbusters' 2016.. not a good idea...

eh... It might be ok. I'll watch a couple of episodes...

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Can’t cast fictional characters…

What is the color of a snowflake? 

changing a story just to make it what you want isn't the way to tell a story, especially one as popular and with as much background as Lord of the Rings...

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4. More belly aching from the racist filth

The same eff-heads bitched about the Black Panther Marvel movie.

Not really. Black Panther was a black character in a comic aimed at black people. Most people didn't like the heavy handed white people bad shit... not the fact that he was black.

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8. And female Ghostbusters.

It's because it sucked.

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13. I was just annoyed that the female Ghostbusters film was lousy. As for the Rings of Power, I am concerned that (among other things) it's my understanding that they're compressing the events of the Second Age by thousands of years to avoid bringing in a brand-new set of human characters each season as the centuries roll by. I don't mind taking some liberties, but that's huge.

yup

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23. Actually, it wasn't lousy...I liked it very much...bunch sexist tried to take it down...

Seriously...

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11. Female dwarves WITHOUT BEARDS!

Everyone knows that the female dwarves are supposed to have beards!
https://www.gamesradar.com/lord-of-the-rings-amazon-dwarves-beards/

We're supposed to be living in a society!

yup

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14. Well...Tolkien did state explicitly that they did have them.

For the Naugrim (dwarves) have beards from the beginning of their lives, male and female alike; nor indeed can their womenkind be discerned by those of other race, be it in feature or in gait or in voice, nor in any wise save this: that they go not to war, and seldom save at direst need issue from their deep bowers and halls."

---J. R. R. Tolkien, The Silmarillion

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16. I think that was supposed to be funny

I always took the female beard thing to be Tolkien's attempt at humor. As for them never leaving their homes that was a convenient way to not have any in his stories.

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17. The Silmarillion isn't exactly a comedy.

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22. where will this lead?

Next thing you know, they will have blacks portraying southern slaves and african tribes people. This is a slippery slope. Soon, we will have hispanics portraying puerto ricans, or actual east asians portraying those races!

What will happen to the poor, talented white actors?

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Re: Lord of the Rings show is angering fans because it has Black dwarves
« Reply #1 on: February 19, 2022, 04:09:12 PM »
My educated guess = only uptight white liberals are "angered".  Haven't heard a thing about this, sounds akin to a manufactured narrative that the lefties believe is true.
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Re: Lord of the Rings show is angering fans because it has Black dwarves
« Reply #2 on: February 19, 2022, 05:28:16 PM »
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This is what malice looks like! Amazon prime has plenty of Tolkien "scholars" on call, they know what a dwarf looks like but the woke lord of the rings will go against it out of spite! Galadrial is the only character that looks good right now with even elrond looking more like a Californian stripper then a leader of elves! valinor is crying right now!
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Re: Lord of the Rings show is angering fans because it has Black dwarves
« Reply #3 on: February 19, 2022, 06:12:18 PM »
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Re: Lord of the Rings show is angering fans because it has Black dwarves
« Reply #4 on: February 19, 2022, 07:44:58 PM »
If fans will be 'angry', I suspect that it's because there's nothing in it actually attributed to Tolkien.  That ship sailed.


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Re: Lord of the Rings show is angering fans because it has Black dwarves
« Reply #5 on: February 19, 2022, 08:10:06 PM »
If fans will be 'angry', I suspect that it's because there's nothing in it actually attributed to Tolkien.  That ship sailed.

I have to wonder what motivates people to take a classic work and proceed to sh*t all over it by trying to "reimagine" it.
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Re: Lord of the Rings show is angering fans because it has Black dwarves
« Reply #6 on: February 19, 2022, 09:18:20 PM »
The rating will tell us how Tolkien fans really feel. I also suspect that those saying they are good with the alterations won't be watching anyways. Might end up like the all-female reboot of Ghostbusters.
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Re: Lord of the Rings show is angering fans because it has Black dwarves
« Reply #7 on: February 19, 2022, 09:30:34 PM »
My kids wanted my wife and I to watch the Lord of the Rings movie series and it was OK, just not my thing. What I don’t get is why can’t directors just be true to the storyline? The author’s description of the characters should be how they look, how they are portrayed, and what the lovers of the books expect. So just do it. What’s the big deal?

This is what happens in the movie industry when silly, immature social considerations are more important than accuracy.

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Re: Lord of the Rings show is angering fans because it has Black dwarves
« Reply #8 on: February 19, 2022, 09:39:36 PM »
People who really enjoy novels and film fiction, especially heavily mythologized fiction like the LOTR, form an image in their minds of the characters and their environment, mostly guided by the author. When people make wholesale changes to the piece they have known and loved it is off-putting. It's just not what they want to see.

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Re: Lord of the Rings show is angering fans because it has Black dwarves
« Reply #9 on: February 19, 2022, 10:14:56 PM »
I don't want to see black elves anymore than I want to see a white Blade or white Shaft. Canon is Canon. If they weren't writing it into the original story, stop ****ing ruining it for diversity sake. I don't want to see a damn Chinese guy in the protagonist role in any Harlem Nights remake.

Stick to the canon and stop ruining shit, you idiots. Annie is a red-headed white girl; Hamilton is a white guy, and Achilles was a white guy. Stop trying to make yourselves feel better by ****ing up history and/or canon.
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Re: Lord of the Rings show is angering fans because it has Black dwarves
« Reply #10 on: February 20, 2022, 03:34:45 AM »
The rating will tell us how Tolkien fans really feel. I also suspect that those saying they are good with the alterations won't be watching anyways. Might end up like the all-female reboot of Ghostbusters.

My local Walmarts (yes, there are two) will happily sell you a boxed set containing Ghostusters I and II, and Afterlife.

It's almost like the "sassy girlfriends" version had never happened...
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Re: Lord of the Rings show is angering fans because it has Black dwarves
« Reply #11 on: February 20, 2022, 10:42:17 AM »
My local Walmarts (yes, there are two) will happily sell you a boxed set containing Ghostusters I and II, and Afterlife.

It's almost like the "sassy girlfriends" version had never happened...

Which is a good thing. Now I've heard that they have included a discount coupon in the box set for those who want to buy the female Ghostbusters but that seems to be an after-thought to appease the 5 people who actually like it.

As for the Prime Lord of the Rings prequel, I've watched the trailers and have seen nothing that compels me to watch it. I'm a big fan and I've read all the books. There isn't a lot of information about the second age (which is where the new series is based) so they feel they have lots of leeways I guess. Thank the Lord they didn't take up The Silmarillion and ruin it. That would have pissed me off.
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