Have the Russians been grooming Trump since the 1980's?

[dutch508]

Star Member kentuck (104,370 posts)
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Have the Russians been grooming Trump since the 1980's?

I read that somewhere.

Some have even said he was a Russian agent, a true Manchurian candidate.

Of course, if he was actually a Russian agent, he would be working for Vladimir Putin.

The US Intelligence would probably know that by now.

That would be very disturbing for Vladimir Putin, knowing that they know.

If Putin had his own man in the White House, feeding him everything he knew and helping him in every conceivable way, Putin would have tried everything within his power to keep him in his position.

What could Putin possibly do to prevent the FBI from acting on their knowledge?

But, it is something that they could not tell the American people.

Sometimes conspiracy theories seem so real.

The best theory is that Trump was just a greedy asshole looking to make a dollar wherever it was available. He wanted a Trump Tower in Moscow but it never happened.

 
 
 

Claustrum (2,948 posts)

1. I don't think Putin's connection go back that far.

But Trump definitely has Russian mafia connection due to his dealings in NYC real estate. With Rudy forcing out the Italian Mafia but lets the Russian mafia in. I believe Putin and Trump connection is pretty recent with it starting as Trump as an outside chaos agent. They never intended or thought that Trump would reach the white house.

GB_RN (1,053 posts)

26. No, But tRump Did Go To Moscow Back Then...

And a former KGB agent has been quoted as saying they were working him as an asset at that point: They already had a psych profile and everything. As I recall, he said the results of their efforts even back then were well beyond their expectations. Dolt45 just ate up the flattery…

dchill (29,511 posts)

28. Putin was in the KGB from 1975 to 1991.

That could connect him to Trump in the 80's, easily.

Star Member Haggard Celine (15,031 posts)

2. Trump supposedly got big loans from Russians.

They wouldn't give big loans or gifts to someone without expecting something in return. So how far back do these loans/gifts go? I haven't heard about when he began receiving Russian money.

Trump wouldn't allow anyone except an interpreter to be present when he met with Putin. The conversation wasn't recorded at all, so we'll never know what was said. Trump could have given Putin all sorts of information. The two men seem to be thick as thieves. I can't say whether Trump is a spy for Russia or not, but I think he could be filling a role very much like that, and I don't think it's too farfetched or a conspiracy theory to consider that possibility.

localroger (2,630 posts)

5. I think they have been grooming him since around 2012

He has always dropped hints that he might run for Prez, but it was only after 2012 that he started to seem serious about it. I think by this time Pootie had a lot of his debt secretly in reserve and may have goosed TFG to try taking the stage, and it probably didn't take much goosing because of TFG's ego. Teh Poot may regard what happened next as unexpectedly fortunate but I doubt Russia's interest in TFG's political circumstance went back past that point.

Grins (4,618 posts)

30. MUCH earlier!!

I wrote about this a while back. Goes back to early 80’s and Andropov who got on the KGB for not having aggressive enough field agents recruiting foreigners whom they could turn/hide/use.

The strategy to do this was laid out in a top secret memo that fell into the hands of British intelligence. And one of the prototype perfect candidates? TRUMP.

And when he married Ivana Zelníčkov, the daughter of a communist party member…Boom!!

Star Member niyad (83,733 posts)

21. What you probably read/heard was that the f'n, murdering orange TRAITOR** has

been a russian ASSET (not agent, he is not that smart). Chosen because he was rich, stupid, malleable, easily flattered and manipulated. I believe it is all laid out in documentary titled, "Active Measures."

moondust (17,967 posts)

31. Doubt it goes that far back.

Putin likely always knew that TFG was an incompetent narcissist who could never win an election for public office in the U.S. "Is that joke, comrade? Americanskis not THAT stupid."

Then came 2015 and the Kremlin's master manipulator saw the chance of a lifetime when TFG rode that gold escalator. An opportunity to help defeat that damn Hillary Clinton and put a dumb puppet in the White House! Wow! Let's get to work, comrades! Call that Manafort fool!

Maybe.

 

[DLR Pyro]

Cute. Now do the biden family and the chi-coms...

[SSG Snuggle Bunny]

Anybody want to discuss Bernie Sanders honeymooning in Moscow or the Biden nominee Omarova studying in Russia under a Lenin scholarship?

[Drafe Hoblin]

I wish I had a lower IQ so I can understand what kt is talking about.

[DefiantSix]

I wish I had a lower IQ so I can understand what kt is talking about.

At some point in that precipitous descent, you'd lose the ability to breathe for yourself without constant coaching.

[enslaved1]

Cute. Now do the biden family and the chi-coms...

They can't cause there's actual evidence of those connections/influence/collusion.

Please seek professional help, kentuck and the rest of the DUmp that actually believes this tripe.  These levels of paranoid delusions are unhealthy for you and those around you.  And self medicating doesn't count, it's probably the source of much your loose grip on reality.   

[SVPete]

Not unless Trump's barber is Ivan Ivanovich Ivanov, .

[Ralph Wiggum]

Not unless Trump's barber is Ivan Ivanovich Ivanov, .

That was H5 worthy!

I was also thinking if he were to be "groomed", it would have been by Hillarian Clintonovski.