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When you were a kid
« on: January 28, 2022, 08:27:06 AM »
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When you were a kid, did books make you "uncomfortable" & "ashamed" of your whiteness?
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1. Hell no.

Not even Huck Finn or To Kill A Mockingbird.

The last book I saw that made me REALLY uncomfortable was "The Turner Diaries."

I never see THAT one on the banned lists!

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4. Another question to ponder before talking about the books...

Can anyone give a coherent definition of "Whiteness" without providing a negative definition, meaning what it is not?

It would be very helpful to have a definition of what we are talking about before we delve into how books can make you ashamed of a concept that I have never seen defined adequately.

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Star Member Hekate (73,603 posts)

36. The people who are yanking books from K-12 library shelves certainly seem to know...

They’re pretty clear that they believe the US is and always has been ordained by their god to be occupied by and ruled by those of European Christian descent.

They are clear that they don’t want their children to be taught otherwise, because it makes them (the adults) uncomfortable, and they don't want to have to deal with their own children’s questions.

Does that answer your question sufficiently?

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Star Member Xipe Totec (43,439 posts)

9. Yes - A short account of the destruction of the Indies - by Bartolome de Las Casas

Required reading in 8th grade in Mexico.

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Star Member yardwork (53,445 posts)

27. I read that in college.

It didn't make me ashamed of being "white." It helped me recognize the same behavior when US soldiers burned and looted books and artifacts in Iraq.

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Star Member Xipe Totec (43,439 posts)

32. I'm 80% Iberian

Look, it's okay to feel uncomfortable. It is an uncomfortable subject.
I'm the end product and beneficiary of 500 years of racial oppression in Latin America.
I am a direct descendant of multiple bloodlines tracing back to the original conquerors of Mexico.
It is what it is.

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Star Member madinmaryland (63,518 posts)

11. No. But now I am disgusted and ashamed by what my white ancestors did. I can't change the color

Of my skin, but I can admit that what some of them did was wrong. I realized this as a teenager.

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14. Nope. And I read a lot of controversial books by the he time I was 12.

My parents were comfortable talking to me about reality. And I grew up with the Civil Rights movement and Vietnam War protests on the news and TV every night.

Haele

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Star Member Haggard Celine (14,877 posts)

15. No, I didn't feel uncomfortable. I just felt sympathy.

And that's the problem these authorities really have with these books. They don't want people to feel sympathy for others who are different in some way. They want closed-minded, ignorant children who will grow up to be just like them.

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Star Member BlackSkimmer (44,204 posts)

18. Reading to Kill a Mockingbird made me feel terrible.

In junior high, I was given a list from which to choose a book and write a report about it.

I chose Black Like Me. That book also made me upset. Kudos to the teacher who had that on our reading list. There's been controversy about it in years since, but it was eye-opening.-

Many books have made me uncomfortable, but not about who I am. Books should make us uncomfortable.

I am female, white, and gay. I've never been ashamed of whom I was born to be.

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Star Member Srkdqltr (2,674 posts)

23. They know it will make kids feel sympathy and a lot of bigots don't want that.

Kids get a whole lot more information than we all did, except the youngest of us. Hopefully banning the books will make a lot of them look for the books.

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Star Member tenderfoot (6,924 posts)

29. Not at all

This whole thing is bullshit and shame on our media for making it so.

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34. Most history books

from my childhood were unabashed "Western (aka White) Supremacy" nonsense. Even as a kid they made me feel "uncomfortable".

A lot of my fellow "boomers" now running things grew up with that same propaganda, which explains a lot right now. Crying over A Confederate General from Big Sur.

Things were starting to loosen up in the Sixties, but the backlash since has been lethal and severe. It's like all the hippies were invited to a "Red Wedding" and their parts subsumed into the Partridge Family.

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44. No

I find the whole concept silly.

How am I responsible for a bunch of crackers who are dead?

Seriously, no one has ever given me anything resembling an answer to this?

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Star Member Hekate (73,603 posts)

48. I want to thank you all for your replies. Please keep on. I was halfway through a longer response...

… when something fratzed and I lost it all. So, after making dinner and everything else, I will try again.

These days of book-bannings and brainwashing in schools are hellish for me, and being at DU among the like-minded is a help.

For the moment, suffice it to say I am a reader from a family of readers. I have mentioned before that we devoured sci-fi, but in fact we devoured everything. What grade level is The Last of the Just, by Andre Schwartz-Bart? The Wall, about the Warsaw Ghetto, by John Hersey? I have no idea, but they were in the house and I read them.

We are Irish-American, not Jewish. But when my mother was in high school in Colorado, a refugee Jewish boy ended up in her school. Not sure what year it was, but I’d say late 1930s. Mom never got over the horror she felt when he told her about great piles of books in the street of his former hometown, being set on fire. She transmitted that horror to me. I feel it now.

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Re: When you were a kid
« Reply #1 on: January 28, 2022, 08:51:25 AM »
My only take away from all that dribble is  what does "fratzed" mean

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Re: When you were a kid
« Reply #2 on: January 28, 2022, 10:10:38 AM »
When I was a kid, they weren't mainstreaming books that stated I was evil for being White, Male or of a Christian faith.

We had pretty much done away with the primitive idea of "blood guilt" and realized that dwelling on past wrongs would never allow anyone to move forward.

We also recognized a difference between removing barriers and trying to force equal outcomes regardless of actual performance.
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Re: When you were a kid
« Reply #3 on: January 28, 2022, 10:20:33 AM »
When a white person does something despicable, why should I be ashamed?  I don’t get it.

When a back person does something despicable are other blacks ashamed of their race?

It was liberals who removed books like Tom Sawyer from libraries. Since they started that the ‘N’ word has been removed from lots of literature. I don’t think they realize the end game because they’re short sighted. Keep removing words like that and pretty soon no one will believe they even existed because there will be no record.

Prove me wrong.

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Re: When you were a kid
« Reply #4 on: January 28, 2022, 10:24:22 AM »
Quote from: Muddling 2 on January 28, 2022, 10:10:38 AM
When I was a kid, they weren't mainstreaming books that stated I was evil for being White, Male or of a Christian faith.

We had pretty much done away with the primitive idea of "blood guilt" and realized that dwelling on past wrongs would never allow anyone to move forward.

We also recognized a difference between removing barriers and trying to force equal outcomes regardless of actual performance.

When I was younger statues of war veterans, historical flags, street names/buildings and history in general were safe from destruction as well.
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Re: When you were a kid
« Reply #5 on: January 28, 2022, 11:09:59 AM »
Quote from: Muddling 2 on January 28, 2022, 10:10:38 AM
When I was a kid, they weren't mainstreaming books that stated I was evil for being White, Male or of a Christian faith.
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The Crucible and Inherit the Wind were pretty anti-Christian and were used in my high school (late 60s and early 70s). The teachers didn't go attack-mode, though.

I've never gone in for demographic class guilt. Dark Skin good, White Skin bad is unsustainable in real life, as is All Nationality are bad/good.
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Re: When you were a kid
« Reply #6 on: January 28, 2022, 12:12:48 PM »
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27. I read that in college.

It didn't make me ashamed of being "white." It helped me recognize the same behavior when US soldiers burned and looted books and artifacts in Iraq.

Hmm, I didn't know that ISIS was part of the US Army.  Because DUmbass the only people looting and destroying artifacts in Iraq and other places they controlled were members of ISIS.
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Re: When you were a kid
« Reply #7 on: January 28, 2022, 12:27:03 PM »
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1When you were a kid, did books make you "uncomfortable" & "ashamed" of your whiteness?
2I have been trying to figure out how to put this intelligibly for days
3More later The car’s moving and my phone is jiggling

1. No, because the collectivism/hivemind mentality your proggie masters push and you have swallowed hook, line and sinker hadn't been embraced yet, cause we still were taught and believed in individual accountability, not group guilt.
2.  You should have tried longer and aimed for intelligently, which if reached, would have come to the conclusion that the concept of racial/cultural/ethnic guilt is stupid.
3.  Does this mean you are driving while trying to spew this fertilizer, or that mom is taking the rough roads back home?
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Re: When you were a kid
« Reply #8 on: January 28, 2022, 12:35:17 PM »
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When you were a kid, did books make you "uncomfortable" & "ashamed" of your whiteness?
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No, DUmbass
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Re: When you were a kid
« Reply #9 on: January 28, 2022, 02:53:55 PM »
No but the communist totalitarians didn't have the power they do now.
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