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I really hate to say this, but I think it would have been better if Hillary had won in '08

I think Mr Obama was the best President in my lifetime, and I was born when Eisenhower was prez, but the backlash from him spending two terms in the White House has been too great and we may never recover.

This has dawned on me in the last few days. I think Barack Obama was ahead of his time.

If HRC had been elected, would Trumpy even have considered running in 2016?

What if she had made Obama Secretary of State or even Vice President? He would have been a shoe-in in ‘2016.

I’m thinking about the scenario that would have kept Trumpy away from the presidency and as a result, the MAGAT bullshit would have remained under the rocks it unfortunately crawled out from.

Way too many Americans utterly lost their damned minds when a capable, articulate, well educated black man with his equally qualified wife and their very poised daughters stayed at 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue for 8 years, and they aren’t EVER going to get over it.

For trying to push this country a decade or two into modernity, they are going to punish us by shoving it back a century.

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2. When Ted Kennedy endorsed Obama, I knew this would happen

Okay, not knew, but strongly suspected...that after 8 years under Obama the changes in the political dynamic might make it impossible for Hillary to follow

Oh, fellating Fat Teddy.  Such an honorable gent. :whatever:

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3. It did become impossible for her to follow

But ‘08 was before Benghazi and all the other crap they threw at her.

By the time 16 rolled around, they were successful in convincing a large segment of the electorate that Mrs Clinton was evil incarnate

Well, if the shoe fits...

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4. Absolutely

and, frankly, Obama didn't go bold enough with legislation to motivate voters to cement those changes

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11. What????

Are you kidding me? Do you really think the right-wing would have become less racist between 2009-2017? BHO appointed HRC Secretary of State, and she did a fine job. But how did that help her?

BHO was a magnificent candidate, in the same way that JFK was a magnificent candidate. And both were EXCEPTIONAL leaders.

What is going on with Trump and the right-wing is a battle for who controls the US in the future, and I am explicitly talking about a race-based view of control.

HRC had her chances. In 2008, she was defeated by a person who was a far better candidate than she was (as opposed to a leader, in which case both HRC and BHO were excellent). In 2016, she was defeated by a conspiracy, both international and domestic, with some weaknesses as a campaigner.

Do not get me wrong: I love HRC, voted for her, donated to her, and worked for her. But BHO was a perfect candidate in 2008 and he would have been in 2016, 2020, etc. Folks like JFK and BHO are very rare, and we should be deeply thankful for them, as we should be for HRC.

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Re: DUmmy Heretic wishes Hillary would have won in 2008 rather than BHO
« Reply #1 on: December 27, 2021, 08:02:41 PM »
Once again, conservatives don’t like Obama because of his worthless political positions, not the color of his skin. Snap the fingers and make him the whitest WASP on the planet with the same politics he has, and I still don’t like him. Same with Hillary and her being female. It’s her politics we don’t like.

I guarantee you more people voted for Dear Leader because he was black than their were who voted against him because he was black. I bet that ratio is somewhere around 1,000,000:1.

Obama and Hillary are both disasters. We got one and avoided the other. I’d have preferred avoiding both, but as long as there’s stupid people in the USA, the Dems will win from time to time. I’ve already warned you primitives for years than you keep pushing the country to the left that pretty soon it won’t be worth keeping. You’re doing your best to see that it happens, but the end game isn’t gonna be what you’re dreaming it will be.

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Re: DUmmy Heretic wishes Hillary would have won in 2008 rather than BHO
« Reply #2 on: December 27, 2021, 08:28:05 PM »
There is no quicker way to lose your freedom than to give power to Hillary

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Re: DUmmy Heretic wishes Hillary would have won in 2008 rather than BHO
« Reply #3 on: December 27, 2021, 09:02:03 PM »
Alternate history and fantasy fiction are similar. In 2008, HilLIARy's unlikeability was probably less obvious, though I doubt she could have generated the star-struck media enthusiasm OhBummer! did. OTOH, McCain's unlikeability was was it was, whether running against HilLIARy or OhBummer!. On the whole, I think HilLIARy might have won, but in a much closer race.

After that ... well, OhBummer! kept HilLIARy out of the US for much of his first term. That prevented her from developing a base she might use to run against him in 2012. It also, until Benghazi, kept her ineptitude and inner ugly largely out of public awareness. In my dystopian alternate history in which HilLIARy became President, she probably would have consigned OhBummer! to some sort of political Siberian obscurity, and her four years in the WH probably would have crystallized public awareness of her ineptitude, arrogance, entitlement, and general unlikeability. If R Party history didn't change, Romney might have won in 2012.

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Re: DUmmy Heretic wishes Hillary would have won in 2008 rather than BHO
« Reply #4 on: December 28, 2021, 06:21:33 AM »
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Way too many Americans utterly lost their damned minds when a piece of shit used car salesman and his equally unqualified wife and their dope smoking daughters stayed at 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue for 8 years, and they aren’t EVER going to get over it.


Like those who are silly enough to call him 'the best president of my lifetime'.

The man( and I use that term very loosely on pipsqueak would-be men) was nothing but a mostly empty wrapper with a fist full of bad policy.

"Be not intimidated... nor suffer yourselves to be wheedled out of your liberties by any pretense of politeness, delicacy, or decency. These, as they are often used, are but three different names for hypocrisy, chicanery and cowardice." - John Adams

Hillary Clinton will never be the President of the United States.

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Re: DUmmy Heretic wishes Hillary would have won in 2008 rather than BHO
« Reply #5 on: December 28, 2021, 07:11:54 AM »
Like those who are silly enough to call him 'the best president of my lifetime'.

The man( and I use that term very loosely on pipsqueak would-be men) was nothing but a mostly empty wrapper with a fist full of bad policy.

 Among Presidents since 1900, OhBummer! was easily among the worst (= Wilson, Carter, Clinton, OhBummer!, and LIEden).
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Re: DUmmy Heretic wishes Hillary would have won in 2008 rather than BHO
« Reply #6 on: December 28, 2021, 07:31:26 AM »
Among Presidents since 1900, OhBummer! was easily among the worst (= Wilson, Carter, Clinton, OhBummer!, and LIEden).

Indeed, however, only obungles presided over the 50 plus year rollback of race relations...though aqualung joe is trying very hard to out do him in that department.

I grew up in a place and during a time where nobody gave two shits what color you were, like Dr. KIng envisioned.

Now, the first thing that crosses my mind when I see a black person is whether they might hate me for my skin color because of how they have been indoctrinated, and my options when it comes to reacting, should there be anything to react to.

Obungles, he built that.
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Re: DUmmy Heretic wishes Hillary would have won in 2008 rather than BHO
« Reply #7 on: December 28, 2021, 08:16:19 AM »
Indeed, however, only obungles presided over the 50 plus year rollback of race relations...though aqualung joe is trying very hard to out do him in that department.

I grew up in a place and during a time where nobody gave two shits what color you were, like Dr. KIng envisioned.

Now, the first thing that crosses my mind when I see a black person is whether they might hate me for my skin color because of how they have been indoctrinated, and my options when it comes to reacting, should there be anything to react to.

Obungles, he built that.

I grew up in a rural area near a couple of small towns. Contrary to Lib/Prog stereotypes, I never saw/heard racial prejudice, and never heard of it until MLK Jr. broke into national news. (at which time I had a hard time believing people could be that kind of stupid ... I was just 7 or 8 or 9). I don't assess people as to whether or not they hate me, etc., but if I lived in SF, Oakland, or Berserkeley, I might think different, though not based on skin color only (whit or brown thugs aren't any less thuggish).

Each President on my "worst" list had/have their own particular awfulnesses:

* Wilson lead a purge of blacks from Federal employment; his "He kept us out of the war" shtick and promises were cynical lies; his economic, personal, and press freedom actions were tyrannies he probably intended to continue after WW1 ended;

* Carter was weak, inept, a union shill, inept, and weak;

* Clinton was corrupt and slimed the Oval Office, metaphorically and literally; IMO, he was the beginning of the partisanizing of the FBI and "Justice" Department;

* Obama was as you said, a race-baiter, as well as antisemitic, weak, and inept;

* Biden, in less than a year has proven himself weak, a bungler, petty, antisemitic, and tyrannic, Obama-on-steroids in each quality.
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