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Offline dutch508

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why couldn't we find any leverage over Manchin
« on: December 20, 2021, 08:59:50 AM »
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TomDaisy (1,074 posts)
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why couldn't we find any leverage over Manchin

 :o

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liberal N proud (59,056 posts)

1. Because the republicans are already using it

Or, because Democrats don’t play republican raindeer games

 :thatsright:

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dem4decades (8,189 posts)

3. He represents a state of Trump loving idiots. What are you going to do?

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FBaggins (23,630 posts)

6. Now that's an interesting question that raises another one

Imagine that we did discover some leverage. How would you expect him to act differently?

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Star Member Wounded Bear (47,777 posts)

10. We'd have to somehow divest him of his coal income...

he's still making 3 times more from that than his Senate salary.

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qazplm135 (6,563 posts)

17. maybe because we don't have any

we had the BIF and gave that up, and we don't have anything else he wants.
Not money, he can get more than we can give from the right.
Not votes, progressives barely exist in WV.

We got nothing he wants anymore.

 :rotf:

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Sneederbunk (9,888 posts)

21. Neuter Manchin in 22. Elect more Dem senators.

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xmas74 (28,693 posts)

26. Because we haven't figured out how to reanimate

LBJ and let him take care of all the dirty tricks. If we had someone like him around Manchin and Simena wouldn't play their games. Hell, I'd bet McConnell wouldn't push as much garbage.

Imagine him alive, at his prime, in a room of Trumpers? People like Greene, Boebert and McCarthy would piddle in his presence. He'd probably tell someone like Bannon to scrub his @ss before he ever even thinks his name.

He had many faults but no way he'd let these games go on. He was a bit of a b@stard and I think that's probably what we need right now.

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Polybius (8,229 posts)

66. LBJ looked like he would belt a Senator for disagreeing

Biden simply doesn't come off as threatening the way LBJ did.

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Star Member onenote (36,422 posts)

32. Because he's from a state that is solidly red

Trump 2016:68.5% v. 26.43
Trump 2018: 68.62 v 29.69
Trump won every single county in the state both elections

Senate election:
2020: Capito 70.3 Democratic candidate 27%

House elections 2020:
All three districts elected Republicans, with the closest election being 63.08 to 36.92%

State legislature:
State Senate: Republican by a more than 2 to 1 margin (23 v 11)
State House: Republican by a more than 3 to 1 margin (78 v22)

In 2018 Manchin narrowly won reelection despite getting less than 50 percent of the vote. But for the presence of a Libertarian candidate who got over 4% of the vote, he might well have lost.

So where does the leverage come from?

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Star Member Celerity (24,508 posts)

53. and now, with his blocking of the BBB and of the voter rights bills, he will help the entire nation

go significantly more Red in 2022 and thus very likely in 2024 as well.

IF he even runs in 2024, he is very likely toast, as there will be no 2018 style Blue Wave to save his batty, and Justice has now significantly outflanked him on both the left and the right, plus dog only knows what voter suppression and election fraud schemes the Rethug-dominated WV legislature will cook up (unhindered by the voter laws) to roast him like a pig on a spit.

Meanwhile, he helps take down a sizable chunk of the rest of our Party.

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Star Member onenote (36,422 posts)

56. True. But he holds those cards

and driving him to join the Republican caucus in 2022 would be a disaster -- dozens of Biden judicial nominees blocked. Senate-backed investigations of everything Biden does. Every Senate committee controlled by the Republicans.

Manchin has screwed us over on BBB, but that doesn't mean he's pissed on everything Biden has put forward or will piss on everything Biden might put forward the coming year.

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Star Member doc03 (29,135 posts)

52. TFG still manages to totally control Republicans while he is

on the golf course in Florida?

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Star Member Roisin Ni Fiachra (1,863 posts)

76. I explained this in a post yesterday morning, but my post was removed. nt

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Re: why couldn't we find any leverage over Manchin
« Reply #1 on: December 20, 2021, 09:07:25 AM »
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xmas74 (28,693 posts)

26. Because we haven't figured out how to reanimate

LBJ and let him take care of all the dirty tricks. If we had someone like him around Manchin and Simena wouldn't play their games. Hell, I'd bet McConnell wouldn't push as much garbage.

Imagine him alive, at his prime, in a room of Trumpers? People like Greene, Boebert and McCarthy would piddle in his presence. He'd probably tell someone like Bannon to scrub his @ss before he ever even thinks his name.

He had many faults but no way he'd let these games go on. He was a bit of a b@stard and I think that's probably what we need right now.
LBJ would be cancelled in a New York minute for using the "n word" quite frequently. The DUpipo wouldn't be able to look past that. EVER. https://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/lyndon-johnson-civil-rights-racism-msna305591
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Re: why couldn't we find any leverage over Manchin
« Reply #2 on: December 20, 2021, 09:10:33 AM »
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26. Because we haven't figured out how to reanimate

LBJ and let him take care of all the dirty tricks. If we had someone like him around Manchin and Simena wouldn't play their games. Hell, I'd bet McConnell wouldn't push as much garbage.

They admit and lionize that dirty rotten bastard lbj who almost single-handedly destroyed America.  I pray he and cronkite have adjoining flames in hell.
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Re: why couldn't we find any leverage over Manchin
« Reply #3 on: December 20, 2021, 09:19:24 AM »



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why couldn't we find any leverage over Manchin

"Leverage", not persuading Manchin that LIEden's Boondogglous Pork bill would be good for the country. Not surprising, but revealing.
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Re: why couldn't we find any leverage over Manchin
« Reply #4 on: December 20, 2021, 09:27:31 AM »
Quote from: SVPete on December 20, 2021, 09:19:24 AM
"Leverage", not persuading Manchin that LIEden's Boondogglous Pork would be good for the country. Not surprising, but revealing.

Yeah, it tells us a lot about where their minds are at. Kind of like, "Why can't we find any dirt on Trump?"
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Re: why couldn't we find any leverage over Manchin
« Reply #5 on: December 20, 2021, 09:53:30 AM »
They should send Michelle out...  " Bring back our communism. "
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Re: why couldn't we find any leverage over Manchin
« Reply #6 on: December 20, 2021, 10:05:02 AM »
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10. We'd have to somehow divest him of his coal income...

he's still making 3 times more from that than his Senate salary.

But, but, but  Pelosi said free market or something.  :-)
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Re: why couldn't we find any leverage over Manchin
« Reply #7 on: December 20, 2021, 10:18:12 AM »
That post confirms that the only way they can win is by coercion.
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Re: why couldn't we find any leverage over Manchin
« Reply #8 on: December 20, 2021, 10:26:16 AM »
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why couldn't we find any leverage over Manchin
Because with too much pressure, he will switch parties an there goes your majority...That is his leverage against YOU.
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Re: why couldn't we find any leverage over Manchin
« Reply #9 on: December 20, 2021, 10:41:41 AM »
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and now, with his blocking of the BBB and of the voter rights bills, he will help the entire nation

go significantly more Red in 2022 and thus very likely in 2024 as well.

Out of the mouths of stupid, vindictive, and ignorant monkeys comes the nugget of truth that the "voter rights" act is actually the "democrat cheat"  voter act.
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Re: why couldn't we find any leverage over Manchin
« Reply #10 on: December 20, 2021, 10:50:39 AM »
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Star Member Wounded Bear (47,777 posts)

10. We'd have to somehow divest him of his coal income...

he's still making 3 times more from that than his Senate salary.

Attacking Big Bogey coal will be so persuasive to WV voters! :tongue:
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Re: why couldn't we find any leverage over Manchin
« Reply #11 on: December 20, 2021, 11:27:33 AM »
I think what the DUmmie in the OP was referring to was another well-known DUmmie's post (Cyrano or the equivalent).  That DUmmie wanted them to dig up dirt on Manchin (everybody has some) and use it as extortion and blackmail to get what they want.   :lmao:

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