A Disturbing Gun Case Further Reveals the Peril of January 6

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A Disturbing Gun Case Further Reveals the Peril of January 6


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A Disturbing Gun Case Further Reveals the Peril of January 6
US prosecutors disclose more evidence of how armed Trump extremists attacked Congress.
Mark Follman
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Last month, the Justice Department unsealed the latest case involving gun charges against an alleged participant in the January 6 attack on the US Capitol. Though the case drew relatively little media attention just ahead of Thanksgiving, it further shows that the grim events of that day involved numerous people with guns, despite repeated false claims to the contrary from Republican lawmakers and Donald Trump. The case also adds disturbing new details to the broader picture of January 6 defendants who have espoused political extremism and misogyny and who have allegedly attempted to cover up criminal activity stemming from the siege of Congress nearly a year ago.

According to federal prosecutors, Mark Mazza, 56, of Shelbyville, Indiana, committed multiple crimes at the Capitol, including carrying a pistol loaded with highly lethal ammunition, helping a mob attack police officers, and assaulting police with a baton. Prosecutors say he subsequently lied to authorities about the gun, which he lost during the mayhem:

According to court documents, Mazza brought a Taurus revolver, loaded with three shotgun shells and two hollow point bullets, to the Capitol. The gun was recovered in the West Front Terrace area shortly after 2:30 p.m. Video footage later shows Mazza in the crowd entering the tunnel to the Lower West Terrace doors at approximately 3:08 p.m. Once the glass doors to the Capitol were breached, Mazza held the doors open in an apparent effort to allow rioters to flow into the building. Holding a baton, he assisted the group in pushing toward officers who were defending the area and joined in assaulting them. He actively swung the baton at police, at one point yelling, “This is our f—- house! We own this house!” He then participated in “heave-ho” efforts to apply significant physical force and pressure on the officers. On Jan. 8, 2021, according to the documents, Mazza filed a false police report in Indiana in which he claimed to have lost his gun in an Ohio casino.


Mazza, who faces assault, obstruction, and gun charges, was ordered held without bond by a federal judge

When a pair of Capitol Police investigators interviewed Mazza at his Indiana home in late March, statements he made about his actions on January 6 included apparent references to House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, court documents show. “I thought Nan and I would hit it off,” he told the agents, but he said that he “never did get to talk to Nancy.” He added, “I was glad I didn’t because you’d be here for another reason.”

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https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2021/12/guns-january-6-insurrection-trump-congress-taurus-judge/

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100216153563

The only problem with this fear-mongering is the fact that the only person who discharged a firearm that day wasn't a protestor, it was Capitol police. And even after they were fired upon nobody shot back.

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including carrying a pistol loaded with highly lethal ammunition

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[SSG Snuggle Bunny]

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TRANSLATION: It's some pretty thin gruel, so we need to make it sound much worse.

[SVPete]

Though the case drew relatively little media attention just ahead of Thanksgiving, it further shows that the grim events of that day involved numerous people with guns, despite repeated false claims to the contrary from Republican lawmakers and Donald Trump.

IF true, this contradicts what the FBI had said last spring. The source is Mother Jones mag, so misrepresentation is very possible.

According to court documents, Mazza brought a Taurus revolver, loaded with three shotgun shells and two hollow point bullets, to the Capitol. ...

1. a. Ucky ducky ... I know enough about handguns to know that some can fire .410 shotgun shells. And I know hollow points (JHP) are commonly chosen for self-defense, because they injure more than full metal jacket (FMJ) and are less prone to over-penetrate and injure bystanders. "(H)ighly lethal ammunition" is anti-gun clickbait hype. Because FMJ ammunition is less expensive than JHP, and thugs do their thuggery on a "budget", I suspect that many/most murders are committed using FMJ. And if an FMJ bullet over-penetrates and injures a bystander, a thug would be all the happier.

1. b. Anyway, getting back to my point, can a single revolver actually be loaded with and safely fire both ordinary pistol rounds and .410 shotgun shells loaded into a single cylinder? My -sniffer alerted on this, but I'm willing to learn from someone more familiar with guns.

2. While I know Taurus makes "budget" guns, the claim that the dude brought a gun and ammo worth a couple (or several) hundred dollars to the Capitol and then chucked it into the bushes set off my -sniffer. The claim a reasonably careful gun owner would chuck a loaded gun into the bushes where a rando person might find it (thug? person unfamiliar with safe handling?) also set off my -sniffer.

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1. b. Anyway, getting back to my point, can a single revolver actually be loaded with and safely fire both ordinary pistol rounds and .410 shotgun shells loaded into a single cylinder? My -sniffer alerted on this, but I'm willing to learn from someone more familiar with guns.
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You can fire .410 shotgun and .45 long out of a Taurus Judge out of the same cylinder but NOT at the same time. You can load it with 3 .410 and the rest .45, or all .410, or all .45 (shooters choice) etc. or any combination thereof.

You can fire a .410, then reload the same cylinder with a .45 and fire it.

But you cannot fire them both out of the same cylinder at the same time.

[SVPete]

You can fire .410 shotgun and .45 long out of a Taurus Judge out of the same cylinder but NOT at the same time. You can load it with 3 .410 and the rest .45, or all .410, or all .45 (shooters choice) etc. or any combination thereof.

You can fire a .410, then reload the same cylinder with a .45 and fire it.

But you cannot fire them both out of the same cylinder at the same time.

  I sit educated. I know that, for example, a Taurus Spectrum can be bought for around $200, and at least some Taurus 9 mm models are in the $300 range, but using DDG, I see that a Taurus Judge is in the $500 range. I have a hard time believing a guy brought something worth $500 to the Capitol and chucked it away willy-nilly. There's something very significant missing from this story, and what is missing may be a false flag. Or maybe the accused guy really is that kind of stupid, .