The Cuomo situation comes down to this

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Star Member iemanja (46,701 posts)


The Cuomo situation comes down to this

Do you think women's lives have value or do you believe Democratic men should never be held account for sexual predatory behavior? It is as simple as that.

Cuomo's defenders insisted we wait for the results of the investigation. Now that is in and found that the allegations are true, they make more excuses. That kind of contempt for the lives of women and opposition to equality is neither Democratic or democratic. They now insist we wait on the results of a trial in a judicial system in which only 6% of rapists see jail time. Even a man who admitted to giving women Quaaludes to have "sex" with them is set free. While Cuomo is not a rapist, these facts display the kind of misogynist judicial system that predatory men rely on. That at the fact most of the offenses for which Cuomo is accused are workplace violations rather than criminal infractions, exposes the excuse about criminal conviction to be a lie.

Any employee of the state of NY who engaged in such behavior would have already been fired. They are fired for such behavior. Yet Cuomo's apologists don't think he should be held to those standards. They insist on a hierarchy in which men of power are held superior and not be subject to the same consequences as ordinary workers. The few over the many, men over women, sexual predation over human decency: Those are the values on display.

 

Star Member treestar (78,883 posts)

1. It is about whether anyone accused should have justice and not be punished before there is a determination of guilt. It does not value the lives of anyone very well to jump the gun and create consequences before the investigation. Women could be accused too, you know.

Star Member H2O Man (66,284 posts)

2. Recommended.

Cuomo needs to resign. There are things that do not require a criminal conviction that should keep people out of office -- which is, of course, the concept of impeachment.

Even on the one in a million chance he is "innocent," his ability to govern is gone. It is selfish for him to stay and do further damage at a time he can do no good.

sop (5,217 posts)

3. Cuomo will never resign, though he should. He's lost all moral authority and the ability to govern.

Why do some politicians believe they're so indispensable? New York will get along fine without him and all the distractions.

Star Member abqtommy (10,920 posts)

6. I think everyone should be held accountable for their behavior.

I don't like what happened to Al Franken and I think investigations and official action are a good and necessary thing.

That aside,
if Cuomo had any class at all he would've already resigned. That's what Al did.

There are a lot of areas in our society that need correcting and this is one of them. By working
together we can accomplish productive things.

ShazamIam (922 posts)

37. I am really ashamed that Franken was thrown oiut by Democratic. All the Republicans have to do is point their finger and we dump and abandon our own.

Mr.Bill (13,059 posts)

64. The Al Franken situation was a republican hit job, plain and simple. Notice that it all went away as soon as he resigned. The same will happen with Cuomo.

ShazamIam (922 posts)

11. It is also as simple as any person charged with a crime has the right to due process.

Star Member iemanja (46,701 posts)

13. and the workplace violations?

Would you have him be charged for infractions that aren't crimes? Or are you using the fact they aren't crimes as a sad excuse to absolve him of any responsibility for his actions? You oppose his facing the same consequences of any NY State worker for the same behavior? Why?

And here you are, relying on for an excuse a justice system that results in only 6% of rapists seeing jail time, that habitually lets off cops for killing black people. That is your crutch.

ShazamIam (922 posts)

39. Sexual harrassment in the workplace is a crime. What I am objecting to is the demand that he not not defend himself.

ShazamIam (922 posts)

21. The NY AG has listed allegations, is there an indictment, is there a separate impeachment

investigation? Seems to be a lot of anti-democratic, anti-due process sentiment here, I am surprised and dismayed.

Star Member H2O Man (66,284 posts)

22. If he does not resign, he will be impeached and removed, wuth the support of the vast majority of Democratic Party elected officials, so it seems a stretch to refer to this as "anti-democratic."

It will be up to the district attorney (or attornies) to evaluate criminal charges. Reportedly, at least one is taking a serious look.

ShazamIam (922 posts)

17. My point is he has the right to due process.

 

Star Member bullwinkle428 (19,516 posts)

23. Honest question - do you believe that Donald Trump received sufficient "due process" over

the course of his two impeachment trials? Because this is exactly what Cuomo will undergo, if he doesn't have the class to just resign.

Mr.Bill (13,059 posts)

66. His impeachment Senate trials

were rigged republican partisan events. A trial with no witnesses? Please.

A trial with no crimes committed...

ShazamIam (922 posts)

33. Oh, so according to your knowledge base only an investigation and allegations are needed for a

conviction. The Impeachment charges will be the indictment, then there will be a trial.

After going through two turnip impeachments I now understand the process.

The NY AG James, investigated, found evidence of illegal acts and is handing that information to the impeachment committee.

A trial after the Impeachment (the formal charging of a crime or crimes) is like an indictment. Only the charges, then a trial will follow.

Star Member iemanja (46,701 posts)

41. Conviction has nothing to do with it

He has found to have broken NY State policy for workplace harassment. He has found to have committed harassment on a repeated basis. He has committed infractions that would get ANY OTHER state employee fired. They are not subject to criminal prosecution, yet they are fired. Only you insist that Cuomo should not be? Why? Because you hold men of power as superior to workers?

Chances are that nothing will happen to Cuomo. The NY legislator will cover up for the sexual predator, just as the Senate did for Trump. Cuomo won't resign because he's a narcissist. The world remains safe for sexual predators. We aren't likely to face a situation in which women's lives will actually matter. A criminal system you pretend to hold such faith in that
rarely convicts police for killing black people and allows 96% of rapists to go free will not hold a sexual predator responsible. Misogyny and racism always win out because this country is filled with misogynists and racists. Male supremacy will be maintained, and sexual predators will continue to violate victims throughout this country on an hourly basis.

That is the judicial system that you rely on for your transparent excuse.

 

ShazamIam (922 posts)

47. Those are allegations produced by the AG James investigation, next, an impeachment, then a trial.

An Impeachment is similar to an indictment it also is not a conviction.

I understand what a failure our U.S. Justice system is and it deeply shames as a citizen.

Denying Cuomo his right to the process isn't a fix.

 

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Mr.Bill (13,059 posts)

64. The Al Franken situation was a republican hit job, plain and simple. Notice that it all went away as soon as he resigned.

 The Herman Cain situation was a democrat hit job, plain and simple. Notice that it all went away as soon as he dropped out.

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ShazamIam

I believe Democratic men should never be held account for sexual predatory behavior.

Fixed.

The rest was just the primitive trying to dance around and pretend as if they care about the process.

Link:

https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=15708987

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iemanja (46,701 posts)

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Cuomo's defenders insisted we wait for the results of the investigation. Now that is in and found that the allegations are true,

Investigators are not triers of fact. If they were, we wouldn't have courts with juries.

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The Cuomo situation comes down to this:

He's a scumbag, a creep, and a negligent killer.

It is as simple as that.

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Star Member iemanja (46,701 posts)

The Cuomo situation comes down to this

Do you think women's lives have value or do you believe Democratic men should never be held account for sexual predatory behavior? It is as simple as that.

1. Bill Clinton.

2. It's inadvertently revealing that a DU-member would post such a "question".

3. I've never heard of Star Member iemanja. Maybe it's simply because I don't hang out on DU.

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Mr.Bill (13,059 posts)

64. The Al Franken situation was a republican hit job, plain and simple.

So you're suggesting this was photoshopped and never happened...?

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A lesson I always teach my kids: always be wary of men in coats and ties coming to offer you a good deal.

A new lesson: always be wary of governors with nipple rings

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Sooooo... Cuomo is resigning. 

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Sooooo... Cuomo is resigning. 

The reason it took him so long is he was lining up a gig on CNN to co-host with his brother.

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His daddy, Mario Cuomo, was a scumbag, so he learned it from a sorry parent. Some kids see their trashy parents and try to be better, and some (Andrew and Fredo) want to exceed the vile actions of their parents.

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sop (5,217 posts)

3. Cuomo will never resign, though he should. He's lost all moral authority and the ability to govern.

Why do some politicians believe they're so indispensable? New York will get along fine without him and all the distractions.

That did not age well.

I KNEW the democrat star chamber would tell him to resign before he hurts the brand.  It would not surprise me if they went as far as to threaten his family's lives.

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So you're suggesting this was photoshopped and never happened...?

I guess that means we REALLY got cuomo! 

[Tess Anderson]

iemanja is BainsBans, guess that's why this OP sounds just like Alex.

[franksolich]

iemanja is BainsBans, guess that's why this OP sounds just like Alex.

I knew it, I knew it, I knew it.

Well, not exactly, precisely.

But when reading her comment, the first thing that popped into my mind was "top-heavy."

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iemanja is BainsBans, guess that's why this OP sounds just like Alex.

yup