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Will America Hold Trump & His Enablers Accountable for 400,000 Unnecessary Deaths?

Dr. Deborah Birx is trying to clean up her reputation by telling the story of how Trump was ignoring the science and pressuring her to instead promote his “open the country” policy that killed so many Americans.

But we don’t have to listen to her; Trump, himself, bragged on Fox News that when Dr. Fauci gave him advice on how to save American lives, he “was doing the opposite of what he [Fauci] was saying.”

The scientific research is in, and at a conference convened by the Brookings Institution it’s being reported that Donald Trump’s criminally incompetent bungling of the coronavirus pandemic killed 400,000 Americans who didn’t have to die. Oh, and we could have saved billions of dollars had it been done right.

Reuters summed it up in the first paragraph of their story: “The United States squandered both money and lives in its response to the coronavirus pandemic, and it could have avoided nearly 400,000 deaths with a more effective health strategy and trimmed federal spending by hundreds of billions of dollars while still supporting those who needed it.”

One researcher presenting at the conference, an economist with UCLA, noted, as Reuters reported, that “if by last May the country had adopted widespread mask, social distancing, and testing protocols while awaiting a vaccine” we could have saved 400,000 Americans from death. And that doesn’t begin to count the serious illness, damage to families and businesses, and long-term disabilities.

When is this man going to be held accountable?

After Pearl Harbor Republicans were all in a froth, suggesting that FDR knew the Japanese planes were on their way and let it happen anyway so he could get us into a war to help his reelection prospects. It was a widely held article of faith among Republicans of a certain age; my dad believed it to the day he died.

But they also held President Franklin Roosevelt to account. Republican uber-conservative and Supreme Court Justice Owen Roberts headed up the Roberts Commission to investigate who was responsible for the intelligence failures on that terrible day. They ultimately cleared FDR, instead laying the blame with Navy Admiral Husband E. Kimmel and Army General Walter Short, the two men on command at Pearl Harbor on December 7, 1941.

When they think a Democrat might be to blame, Republicans are all about accountability.

Although the George W. Bush administration used private servers to conduct government business for eight years, and then deleted over 22 million emails as they were leaving office, when it was discovered that Hillary Clinton had a private email server for her personal email use when she was President Obama’s Secretary of State, the Republicans went insane. The investigations into her “missing” 30,000 personal emails covered three years, and cost our country tens of millions of dollars. In the end, she was cleared of all the charges.

But, the GOP had already decided, Hillary had to be accountability for something!

So when four Americans died at Benghazi, in the years after the State Department’s requests for extra funds to harden that station and others like it were turned down by Republicans in Congress who said it would represent too much “big government spending,” the GOP decided that Hillary Clinton was at fault.

It was accountability time!

Clinton was the subject of multiple Congressional hearings, examined by private investigators and federal prosecutors, endured hours of testimony before Congress, and a thorough raking over the coals in conservative media for years.

Again, Hillary was found not culpable for any part of that tragedy, although she took responsibility for it happening on her watch, but the Republicans sure portrayed themselves as the ultimate American champions of accountability.

Republicans were even serious about holding Richard Nixon accountable, once there was clear evidence of his crimes. It wasn’t a group of Democratic senators who walked over to the White House one afternoon to inform Richard Nixon that his time was up and he would have to leave office: it was a group of Republicans, led by Senator Barry Goldwater.

Accountability.

Now we have a Republican former president who independent and impartial scientists say made decisions (I would argue politically motivated decisions) that cost the lives of 400,000 Americans. While New Zealand, Taiwan and South Korea (among dozens of others) only suffered minor fatalities, America, with 4% of the worlds population, has about 20% of all the deaths from Covid in the world.

And, the researchers say, it’s all because Trump ignored the science. Instead, he chose to do what he thought would get him reelected while pandering to his fat-cat corporate buddies who wanted their front-line workers to show up and keep the money flowing, no matter what.

So when is somebody going to seriously investigate what happened during the Trump presidency?

When is somebody going to look into why his administration was actually planning to do something about Covid prior to April 7th, but in the week following that day – the day the news broke in all the major media that Covid was disproportionately killing Black people and was then only widespread in Democratic-run states – they turned on a dime and decided to do nothing?

Why did Trump, after April 7th, start lying about how serious Covid was and pushing to reopen the country?

Why did Trump lean on Republican politicians and governors to keep their states’ open, producing super-spreader events like the motorcycle rally in South Dakota that GOP Governor Kristi Noem encouraged that led to 260,000 new Covid cases, and deaths across America?

Over a half-million Americans have died, and the science indicates that 400,000 of them died because Donald Trump was a blustering, incompetent, racist, narcissistic, greedy, politically motivated ass.

America is grieving the loss of these people. Friends, family, brothers, sisters, fathers, mothers, grandparents, even some children.

But, as any prosecutor will tell you in any routine murder case, grieving requires closure, and closure requires accountability.

This is, at the very least, manslaughter, particularly when you consider how he now brags that he actively ignored the scientific evidence and advice.

When will America hold Donald Trump and the people who surrounded and enabled him accountable?

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 :bs2flag: Covid was circulating in the US before anyone outside of China knew it existed; This was proven by testing blood from December 2019 and January 2020 US Red Cross West Coast blood drives and discovering some samples had anti-SARS-CoV-2 antibodies;

 :bs2flag: Explain why the US has fared  similarly or better than many European countries?

US deaths per 1M population - 1,692

UK deaths per 1M population - 1,858

Belgium deaths per 1M population - 1,969

Italy deaths per 1M population - 1,787

France deaths per 1M population - 1,447

 :bs2flag: Explain why daily new cases in the US are flat or falling, while they are rising in France, Belgium, and Italy (and probably more EU countries). Could the Trump Vaccines be a large part of a truthful explanation? Falling new cases data from the heavily vaccinated UK and Israel suggest that is the case.

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When talking about preventing a virus (or anything else) from entering a country, don't use two islands and a peninsula whose only land boarder is a DMZ as your examples of who should be looked at. 

How much spread happened in Pelosi's Lunar New Year "come hug an Asian person" celebrations?  How many infected illegals still snuck through our borders while Congress refused to fund the wall?  We know how many are now, cause they are getting tested and released into Texas. 

Also wonder how an economist from UCLA is the best person to figure out how many lives would be purportedly be saved by lockdowns, mask mandates, ect.

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How much spread happened in Pelosi's Lunar New Year "come hug an Asian person" celebrations?  ...

You are much too kind:

January 26, 2020 - While warning that the coronavirus would come to NYC, New York City Health Commisioner Dr. Oxiris Barbot advised people, "We are encouraging New Yorkers to go about their everyday lives and suggest practicing everyday precautions that we do through the flu season," and, "We are very clear: We wish New Yorkers a Happy Lunar New Year and we encourage people to spend time with their families and go about their celebration"; https://www.nytimes.com/2020/01/27/nyregion/new-york-city-coronavirus.html

January 31, 2020 - In reference to Lunar New Year celebration activities, Barbara Ferrer, Los Angeles County Department of Public Health Director, said, "There is no need to panic and there is no need for people to cancel their activities."; https://mynewsla.com/hollywood/2020/01/28/health-official-says-coronavirus-is-no-need-for-panic-in-los-angeles-county/

January 31, 2020 - Biden referred to "Donald Trump’s record of hysteria and xenophobia - hysterical xenophobia - and fearmongering" while criticizing Trump's China travel restrictions; https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/481028-biden-slams-trump-for-cutting-health-programs-before-coronavirus-outbreak

February 1, 2020 - The day after Trump announced the China travel shutdown Joe Biden Tweeted, "Donald Trump’s record of hysteria, xenophobia, and fear-mongering"; https://twitter.com/JoeBiden/status/1223727977361338370?s=20

February 2, 2020 - NYC Health Commissioner Dave A. Chokshi encouraged New Yorkers, "As we gear up to celebrate the #LunarNewYear in NYC,... there is no reason for anyone to change their holiday plans, avoid the subway, or certain parts of the city because of #coronavirus; https://twitter.com/NYCHealthCommr/status/1224043155852537863

February 4, 2020 - Rep. Ami Bera claimed Trump's China travel restrictions would "create prejudices" and cause people to "harbor anxieties toward" Chinese people; https://www.politico.com/states/california/story/2020/02/04/coronavirus-quarantine-travel-ban-could-backfire-experts-fear-1258757

February 5, 2020 - First House of Representatives hearing about Covid-19; https://www.cnbc.com/2020/02/05/watch-us-house-panel-holds-hearing-on-the-coronavirus-outbreak.html

February 5, 2020 - Rep. Eliot Engel claimed Trump's China travel restrictions would "stoke" "discriminatory" and "racist" responses; https://foreignaffairs.house.gov/2020/2/engel-statement-at-coronavirus-outbreak-subcommittee-hearing

February 7, 2020 - NYC Health Commisioner Dr. Oxiris Barbot advised people, "So we’re telling New Yorkers, go about your lives, take the subway, go out, enjoy life, but practice everyday precautions"; https://news.grabien.com/story-flashback-nyc-health-commissioner-urged-new-yorkers-gather-p (the link includes context of her advice and video of her comments)

February 9, 2020 - NYC Health Commissioner Oxiris Barbot encouraged New Yorkers, "I want to remind everyone to enjoy the (Lunar New Year) parade and not change any plans due to misinformation spreading about #coronavirus."; https://twitter.com/NYCHealthCommr/status/1226508570646269954

February 24, 2020 - Nancy Pelosi invited Californians to "come to Chinatown"; https://sanfrancisco.cbslocal.com/2020/02/24/coronavirus-speaker-house-nancy-pelosi-tours-san-franciscos-chinatown/

February 26, 2020 - Nancy Pelosi referred to Trump's China travel shut down as, "scare tactics about people coming back to our country"; https://twitter.com/ABCPolitics/status/1232717882020245504

March 4, 2020 - In a press conference, NYC Health Commisioner Dr. Oxiris Barbot advised "So, there's no indication that being in a car, being in the subways with someone who's potentially sick is a risk factor ..."; https://www1.nyc.gov/office-of-the-mayor/news/118-20/transcript-mayor-de-blasio-new-yorkers-city-s-covid-19-preparedness

March 5, 2020 - City of New York Mayor de Blasio encouraged residents to "get out on the town"; https://twitter.com/BilldeBlasio/status/1234648718714036229

March 5, 2020 - Barbara Ferrer, director of the Los Angeles County Public Health Department, said, "The public can continue to enjoy all that L.A. County has to offer, including the Los Angeles Marathon"; https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2020-03-07/coronavirus-cancels-many-events-but-l-a-marathon-and-coachella-still-on-here-is-wh

This discussion forum post gives the context for these Donkey Brayings, http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,412821.0.html . In context (some of which the post gives), Trump was acting with urgency, trying to keep a balance of urgency without panic, while Dems were minimizing Covid and sabotaging Trump's attempts to communicate Covid's urgency.

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“if by last May the country had adopted widespread mask, social distancing, and testing protocols while awaiting a vaccine” we could have saved 400,000 Americans from death.


Still blathering on about this proven false narrative?   :whatever:


DUmmies, do doctors perform surgery while sick because.......masks?   
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Still blathering on about this proven false narrative?   :whatever:


DUmmies, do doctors perform surgery while sick because.......masks?

not only that but early on SaintDr. Fauci said masks offer no protection and didn't recommend them.

Then they said wear them, not to protect yourself, but to protect others from you in case you are asymptomatic.

Now the narrative is wear them to protect yourself and others

Their message on masks keeps on changing
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You are much too kind:

January 26, 2020 - While warning that the coronavirus would come to NYC, New York City Health Commisioner Dr. Oxiris Barbot advised people, "We are encouraging New Yorkers to go about their everyday lives and suggest practicing everyday precautions that we do through the flu season," and, "We are very clear: We wish New Yorkers a Happy Lunar New Year and we encourage people to spend time with their families and go about their celebration"; https://www.nytimes.com/2020/01/27/nyregion/new-york-city-coronavirus.html

January 31, 2020 - In reference to Lunar New Year celebration activities, Barbara Ferrer, Los Angeles County Department of Public Health Director, said, "There is no need to panic and there is no need for people to cancel their activities."; https://mynewsla.com/hollywood/2020/01/28/health-official-says-coronavirus-is-no-need-for-panic-in-los-angeles-county/

January 31, 2020 - Biden referred to "Donald Trump’s record of hysteria and xenophobia - hysterical xenophobia - and fearmongering" while criticizing Trump's China travel restrictions; https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/481028-biden-slams-trump-for-cutting-health-programs-before-coronavirus-outbreak

February 1, 2020 - The day after Trump announced the China travel shutdown Joe Biden Tweeted, "Donald Trump’s record of hysteria, xenophobia, and fear-mongering"; https://twitter.com/JoeBiden/status/1223727977361338370?s=20

February 2, 2020 - NYC Health Commissioner Dave A. Chokshi encouraged New Yorkers, "As we gear up to celebrate the #LunarNewYear in NYC,... there is no reason for anyone to change their holiday plans, avoid the subway, or certain parts of the city because of #coronavirus; https://twitter.com/NYCHealthCommr/status/1224043155852537863

February 4, 2020 - Rep. Ami Bera claimed Trump's China travel restrictions would "create prejudices" and cause people to "harbor anxieties toward" Chinese people; https://www.politico.com/states/california/story/2020/02/04/coronavirus-quarantine-travel-ban-could-backfire-experts-fear-1258757

February 5, 2020 - First House of Representatives hearing about Covid-19; https://www.cnbc.com/2020/02/05/watch-us-house-panel-holds-hearing-on-the-coronavirus-outbreak.html

February 5, 2020 - Rep. Eliot Engel claimed Trump's China travel restrictions would "stoke" "discriminatory" and "racist" responses; https://foreignaffairs.house.gov/2020/2/engel-statement-at-coronavirus-outbreak-subcommittee-hearing

February 7, 2020 - NYC Health Commisioner Dr. Oxiris Barbot advised people, "So we’re telling New Yorkers, go about your lives, take the subway, go out, enjoy life, but practice everyday precautions"; https://news.grabien.com/story-flashback-nyc-health-commissioner-urged-new-yorkers-gather-p (the link includes context of her advice and video of her comments)

February 9, 2020 - NYC Health Commissioner Oxiris Barbot encouraged New Yorkers, "I want to remind everyone to enjoy the (Lunar New Year) parade and not change any plans due to misinformation spreading about #coronavirus."; https://twitter.com/NYCHealthCommr/status/1226508570646269954

February 24, 2020 - Nancy Pelosi invited Californians to "come to Chinatown"; https://sanfrancisco.cbslocal.com/2020/02/24/coronavirus-speaker-house-nancy-pelosi-tours-san-franciscos-chinatown/

February 26, 2020 - Nancy Pelosi referred to Trump's China travel shut down as, "scare tactics about people coming back to our country"; https://twitter.com/ABCPolitics/status/1232717882020245504

March 4, 2020 - In a press conference, NYC Health Commisioner Dr. Oxiris Barbot advised "So, there's no indication that being in a car, being in the subways with someone who's potentially sick is a risk factor ..."; https://www1.nyc.gov/office-of-the-mayor/news/118-20/transcript-mayor-de-blasio-new-yorkers-city-s-covid-19-preparedness

March 5, 2020 - City of New York Mayor de Blasio encouraged residents to "get out on the town"; https://twitter.com/BilldeBlasio/status/1234648718714036229

March 5, 2020 - Barbara Ferrer, director of the Los Angeles County Public Health Department, said, "The public can continue to enjoy all that L.A. County has to offer, including the Los Angeles Marathon"; https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2020-03-07/coronavirus-cancels-many-events-but-l-a-marathon-and-coachella-still-on-here-is-wh

This discussion forum post gives the context for these Donkey Brayings, http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,412821.0.html . In context (some of which the post gives), Trump was acting with urgency, trying to keep a balance of urgency without panic, while Dems were minimizing Covid and sabotaging Trump's attempts to communicate Covid's urgency.

Thanks for that quick reference!
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Will America Hold Trump & His Enablers Accountable for 400,000 Unnecessary Deaths?

Will the world hold china accountable for their irresponsible actions once they knew they had a very contagious and deadly illness loose in whuhan?

Rather than blame the person who pulled the trigger, you DUmmies want to go after the person who housed the victims of the shooting for allowing the bullets to enter his country.
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Thanks for that quick reference!

Back in late January 2020 it was obvious to me that the Shampeachment would crash and burn and, therefore, the Dems would need something new to politicize. It seemed to me very likely that the new epidemic would be their new target. The Dems didn't disappoint, though their initial form of politicization narrative was that Trump was exaggerating the risk. It was only in late March and early April that the Dems did a 180 and falsely claimed Trump was doing nothing about Covid.

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not only that but early on SaintDr. Fauci said masks offer no protection and didn't recommend them.

Then they said wear them, not to protect yourself, but to protect others from you in case you are asymptomatic.

Now the narrative is wear them to protect yourself and others

Their message on masks keeps on changing

Now they are recommending two masks.  :mad:
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Now they are recommending two masks.  :mad:

Now they want you to wear a mask even after you get vaccinated.  There goes any and motivation for me to get vaccinated or to even get a fake vaccination record.