OK Now, Let's Get This Straight Donnie not only had NOTHING to do with the Covid

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WHITT (229 posts)
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OK Now, Let's Get This Straight Donnie not only had NOTHING to do with the Covid vaccine, he had LESS THAN NOTHING to do with the Covid vaccine.

All you need for this is a 2020 calendar.

In blindingly record time, the Chinese mapped the entire genome of what is now known as Covid-19. On January 11th, they sent a copy of the mapped genome to the W.H.O., sent a copy to the U.S federal government, and they then published it online on the internet.

The scientists from Moderna saw it, and in less than 48 hours, they had a vaccine. They had a vaccine that worked. In the lab. From there it was only a matter of determining if it was safe for humans.

During this period of time, Donnie claimed the virus was a hoax by the Democratic Party, then it was a Chinese hoax, then it was no different than the flu, that it would go away like a miracle, that the administration "had it contained" and the 15 cases would soon be down to zero, nothing to worry about, we're doing a fantastic job.

The first death in the U.S. from Covid-19 occurred on February 29th, so Moderna (and the Chinese) had a vaccine more than six weeks earlier.

The process for determining if a drug or vaccine is safe is quite standardized, involving Phase 1, Phase 2, and Phase 3 trials. There was nothing Donnie could have done to cut corners or speed-up the process.

His "Warp Speed" crap was exactly that. Crap.

 

Star Member treestar (78,460 posts)

2. Again Donnie takes credit for that which he did nothing.

Star Member Hugh_Lebowski (19,846 posts)

3. Do you have a link to this information re: the genome and the 48 hours?

This is the DU member formerly known as mr_lebowski.

 

Star Member dalton99a (59,665 posts)

5. Yep. January 11, 2020:

https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2020/01/chinese-researchers-reveal-draft-genome-virus-implicated-wuhan-pneumonia-outbreak

Chinese researchers reveal draft genome of virus implicated in Wuhan pneumonia outbreak
By Jon Cohen
Jan. 11, 2020 , 3:00 PM

Scientists worried about China’s lack of transparency about a month-old outbreak of pneumonia in the city of Wuhan breathed a sigh of relief today, after a consortium of researchers published a draft genome of the newly discovered coronavirus suspected of causing the outbreak.

“Potentially really important moment in global public health-must be celebrated, everyone involved in Wuhan, in China & beyond acknowledged, thanked & get all the credit,” Jeremy Farrar, head of the Wellcome Trust in London, wrote in a tweet. “Sharing of data good for public health, great for those who did the work. Just needs those incentives & trust.”

Also this morning, Wuhan health authorities reported the first death from the new disease. The patient was a 61-year-old man who frequently visited the live market in Wuhan that most cases have been linked to. He also suffered from abdominal tumors and chronic liver disease and died on Thursday. The Wuhan Health Commission said 41 people so far have been confirmed to have been infected with the new virus; no new patients have been identified since 3 January.

News about the sequence came from Edward Holmes, a virologist and evolutionary biologist at the University of Sydney, who tweeted the first notice about the availability of what he referred to as an “initial” sequence of the virus early this morning. Holmes is a member of a consortium led by Yong-Zhen Zhang of the Shanghai Public Health Clinical Center & School of Public Health that posted the sequence on an open-access site, virological.org. The consortium said it had also deposited the sequence in GenBank. In a brief note, the group said researchers were free to analyze and share the data, but asked that groups “communicate with us if you wish to publish results that use these data in a journal.”

 

Star Member Binkie The Clown (6,846 posts)

6. "Warp Speede" was just empty words.

Like all those bio scientists were sitting on their ass waiting for Trump to say "Go".

Star Member GopherGal (1,257 posts)

7. In TFG's defense...

(God I hate typing that, but my Devil's Advocate tendencies compel me)

Guaranteed federal purchase of the vaccine meant that testing and scale up of manufacture could happen in parallel, rather than serially, speeding up the time-to-market. A more traditional drug/vaccine life cycle is: develop molecule, progress through Phase 1, 2, 3 trials, then approval, then begin commercial manufacture. Beginning commercial manufacture when starting trials should speed up the process greatly, but would potentially leave the manufacturer sitting on millions of dollars of useless product if approval was not forthcoming.

Federal involvement via Operation Warp Speed did likely have a role in speeding the vaccines to market. Without it, the same things likely would have happened, but the timing might have been very different.

Even so, all of this is what competent "Deep State" federal employees would have pushed forward regardless of who was in the White House, so The F Guy shouldn't be claiming credit for not F-ing up what the competent people were trying to do (for once).

 

stopdiggin (4,275 posts)

9. +1 much as I REALLY hate to admit

ANYTHING involving credit to the orange one -- I think the administration at least facilitated some fast track on approval and production. The roll out on this was incredibly fast -- and well above the predictions that were made. Much of that was private sector admittedly, but ....

Star Member niyad (75,944 posts)

13. Pfizer had nothing to do with warp speed. And where did those missing 20 million doses go?

And why didn't the murdering orange traitor buy the additional 100 million doses offered?

Star Member SunSeeker (44,201 posts)

17. Exactly. I have Biden to thank for my Pfizer doses.

I got them at a mass vaxx site Biden opened up on February 15, 2021 at Cal State L.A., run by the National Guard.

Star Member SleeplessinSoCal (6,298 posts)

10. He's a very stable, genius, mass muderer

What's False
Despite creating some confusion with his remarks, Trump did not call the coronavirus itself a hoax.


https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/trump-coronavirus-rally-remark/

Star Member Justice matters. (2,416 posts)

12. What's true:

During the speech he also seemed to downplay the severity of the outbreak, comparing it to the common flu.


That was a criminal lie.

Caught on 'tape' to Bob Woodward that he knew how deadly it was before he lied in public for political gain.

Didn't work, but hundreds of thousands needlessly paid the price with their lives.

This is the DU member formerly known as Lock him up..

Star Member niyad (75,944 posts)

14. And let US NEVER forget that the murdering, orange traitor knew in ?February how deadly this

ague would be (see the Woodward tapes) and deliberately chose to lie, to kill us.

 

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[SVPete]

WHITT (229 posts)
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OK Now, Let's Get This Straight Donnie not only had NOTHING to do with the Covid vaccine, he had LESS THAN NOTHING to do with the Covid vaccine.

  The SARS-CoV-2 virus was circulating in the US before anyone outside of China knew it existed. So, no, just as with European leader and those who died in their countries, Trump could not have prevented Covid deaths.

  The Federal government was working with and funding Moderna development and testing from January 2020 onward. OWS had a conditional purchase contract with Moderna in summer 2020.
  The Federal government began working with Pfizer (and other companies) in April 2020. The FDA Fast-Tracked Pfizer's vaccine in July 2020 and had a conditional purchase contract with Pfizer a week later.
  The Federal government began working with J&J (and other companies) in April 2020 and had a conditional purchase contract with J&J in August 2020.
  The Federal government exercised options to purchase 100M doses each from Pfizer and Moderna in December 2020.
  ~1 million doses a day were being injected before LIEden was inaugurated.

  So IRL, Trump had a LOT to do with the development, testing, approval, and the beginning of the distribution of 3 vaccines in the US. And a fourth may be coming in a few weeks, Novavax's, which OWS enabled and for which there is a purchase contract (July 2020).

While Biden has done some probably significant things, their main effects are not likely to be felt until May or June this year. The recent increases in vaccine production and deliveries would have happened were Trump still President.

[SVPete]

In blindingly record time, the Chinese mapped the entire genome of what is now known as Covid-19. On January 11th, they sent a copy of the mapped genome to the W.H.O., sent a copy to the U.S federal government, and they then published it online on the internet.

The scientists from Moderna saw it, and in less than 48 hours, they had a vaccine. They had a vaccine that worked. In the lab. From there it was only a matter of determining if it was safe for humans.

In reality, the virus had been in circulation in Wuhan in November, possibly even October. By early December (2019), doctors in Wuhan had seen enough similar cases to recognize they had an outbreak of something.

In reality, multiple labs in Wuhan had sequenced the virus' DNA by January 1st.

In reality, a university in Wuhan, apparently without official permission, communicated the sequence to the outside world, on January 11th.

Moderna did have their vaccine designed within days. WHITT failed to mention that NIH was already working with Moderna, and that the Trump Administration funded development and testing of the vaccine from the start.