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Offline dutch508

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How to flip a Trumpster?
« on: October 01, 2020, 08:30:44 AM »
Star Member Hamlette (14,115 posts)

How to flip a Trumpster?

I'm looking for help. Guy I worked with. I'm sure he voted Trump in 2016. Today we're talking and he asked if I watched the debate. "yes". he said What's with Biden, is that the best the Dems could come up with?" I said "I love Biden". He said: "I love Biden too. He's my kinda Democrat, I'm really not on the AOC train." So I agree (just to pull him along) and say "Trump is crazy. He was such a baby at the debate". He said "Yeah, I think the country could use a break from him for awhile." I asked if he was voting, he said yes but he was looking for a third party candidate to vote for.

Can I get him to vote for Biden? I keep thinking of what I could say. Lots of things I wish I'd said on the phone but I can send email and will if I think I can swing him.

He's about 40, has a college degree and has been getting surprisingly liberal on the job. It's a government agency and he's middle management with a college degree. I like him lots so we agreed not to talk about politics. I actually retired 3 years ago but they brought me back with the pandemic because the case load skyrocketed. He has 2 kids, one with a fairly minor genetic disorder that might or might not show up when the kid grows up. Preexisting conditions? Any way to explain that to him in short time?

What can I say/send him. I think he's stop reading/paying attention if I send lots of stuff. I need to grab him.


Star Member lunatica (49,976 posts)

4. Because he has kids and he's a college graduate

your best bet might be to talk to him about Obamacare. There are some very important benefits that will be taken away if it goes away.

Insurance companies, which really have no business playing doctor, can’t use pre-existing illnesses or conditions to refuse coverage.

Your children are covered until their 26th birthday. Which means they’re covered through their college years if they go to college. And they’re covered until they can get their own insurance in their jobs.

Just these two above will convince anyone.

Then explain to him that not one single Republican, including Trump, has said or done a thing to replace Obamacare, even though they keep lying that they have “a plan”.

I’ve never had to explain any more than that to convince people.

Star Member better (659 posts)

5. Maybe put it in more easily digestible terms...

Look, I get it, you think Trump's an old Pinto, and Biden's an old Pacer, neither are very sexy.

But a Pacer or a Pinto are the only cars we stand any chance of actually getting this year.

Sure, you can go ahead and put a downpayment on that shiny new supercar that isn't viable yet by voting third party.

But it could very well mean we all get stuck with the Pinto, and we may well get rear-ended and explode.

You'll just have to "stand by" and "see what happens".   

Star Member Celerity (13,805 posts)

7. An Experiment in Wisconsin Changed Voters' Minds About Trump

Changing voters’ minds is famously difficult, but a recent progressive effort found real success.

No state has haunted the Democratic Party’s imagination for the past four years like Wisconsin.

While it was not the only state that killed Hillary Clinton’s presidential hopes in 2016, it was the one where the knife plunged deepest. Clinton was so confident about Wisconsin that she never even campaigned there. This year, it is one of the most fiercely contested states. The Democrats planned to hold their convention in Milwaukee, before the coronavirus pandemic forced its cancellation.

Donald Trump is also making a strong play for Wisconsin. Trump’s weaknesses with the electorate are familiar: Voters find him coarse, and they deplore his handling of race, the coronavirus, and protests. One recent YouGov poll found that just 42 percent of Americans approved of his performance as president, while 54 percent disapproved. But when the pollsters asked about Trump’s handling of the economy, those attitudes reversed: 48 percent approved and 44 percent disapproved, despite the havoc wreaked by the pandemic.

The high marks that voters give Trump’s economic record are a key obstacle to Democratic efforts to win back Wisconsin and other upper-midwestern states. But a surprisingly effective progressive effort this spring to undermine Trump’s approval ratings on the economy provides a model for how the president’s opponents can hurt Trump where he’s strongest—and maybe even tip the election to Joe Biden.

Changing voters’ minds is famously difficult. Recent national campaigns have spent more effort on increasing turnout—getting sympathetic voters to go to the polls—than on winning over new supporters. Political scientists and pollsters have found that as the country grows more negatively polarized, fewer true swing voters are up for grabs.

But the Wisconsin effort, notable for both its approach and its scale, seems to have found some success. From February to May, the advocacy group Opportunity Wisconsin, with help from a progressive advocacy organization based in Washington, D.C., called the Hub Project, managed to do remarkable damage to Trump’s standing with a group of persuadable voters.

The effort sought to identify voters who took a favourable view of Trump’s record on the economy but who might still be receptive to alternative perspectives, then spent weeks targeting them with messages arguing that the economy was actually not working for Wisconsin, and that Trump’s policies weren’t helping. “The most impressive thing is that they clearly had some effect in changing how people think about Donald Trump, and that’s just really difficult to do,” says David Broockman, a political scientist at UC Berkeley who studies persuasion. “For a real program to have effects on what people think about Trump in the field, not an artificial setting like a focus group, is quite impressive. There’s very little I’ve seen this election cycle that has found that.”

Research by Broockman and Yale’s Josh Kalla from earlier this year showed that while messages about Biden could swing voters’ opinions about him, views about Trump were almost immovable. The Opportunity Wisconsin push was built on a combination of tactics old and new, simple and sophisticated.

The group is officially nonpartisan, and does not disclose its donors. But Meghan Roh, a former Democratic House and Senate staffer who is the group’s program director, told me it was formed out of a concern that progressive organizations weren’t speaking effectively to people in Wisconsin.

Trump’s strong economic numbers in the state jumped out as a perfect example. As my colleague Ronald Brownstein reported in 2019, citing Hub Project research, a potentially crucial group of voters approves of Trump’s handling of the economy, but is sceptical of his overall performance. The president’s numbers on the economy remain a rare bright spot for him, even amid coronavirus-induced economic devastation. Just a few months ago, there was routinely a double-digit spread between those who approved and disapproved of his handling of the economy—but Trump's numbers remain narrowly positive, according to RealClearPolitics’ average.

The national trend holds true in Wisconsin. In a recent Marquette Law School poll, 51 percent of Wisconsinites approved of Trump’s handling of the economy, versus 46 percent who did not. (In the same poll, respondents favoured Biden over Trump, 48 percent to 42 percent.) With Trump even more embattled than he was a year ago, these voters who approve of Trump on the economy but not on much else are even more crucial in November.

Opportunity Wisconsin saw this as a classic chance to attack an opponent’s strength, rather than his weakness. “There was this perception that the president’s economic strength was based on the stock market or jobs numbers, but when you drilled down a little more and had conversations with people about their own experience, they did not see any benefit from the president's tax law or his opposition to raising the minimum wage,” Roh says. The plan was to figure out how to convince voters in Wisconsin, on a large scale, that Trump’s handling of the economy was actually worse than they thought. Opportunity Wisconsin and the Hub Project started with a survey of 27,000 voters, designed to identify persuadable Wisconsinites.



sakabatou (37,541 posts)

8. In my experience, you can't

They're a cult where their leader can do no wrong.

Star Member VOX (22,826 posts)

16. If you're located in a solid Blue or solid Red State, just cultivate the friendship.

However, if you live in one of the perennial swing states, use some/all of the excellent suggestions above.

Regardless, just be an exemplar of how decent, caring and SANE a Democrat can be. Sounds like you’re doing well in that department already.
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Re: How to flip a Trumpster?
« Reply #1 on: October 01, 2020, 09:51:17 AM »
Star Member Hamlette (14,115 posts)

How to flip a Trumpster?

if you are so convinced that biden has this election wrapped up, why are you worried about flipping a Trump supporter?
Trump Won.  Get over it!

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Re: How to flip a Trumpster?
« Reply #2 on: October 01, 2020, 10:02:12 AM »
I checked the Bouncy rule book and since I can't give negative bongs, I am only left with a ZERO BONGS rating on this delusional fable.
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