So, anybody deciding its time to arm themselves?

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Ferryboat (255 posts)
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So, anybody deciding its time to arm themselves?
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I was raised in a family that hunts. Not passionate about killing anything that moves. But it is a reason to hang out with my relatives and longtime family friends.
Tell stories we have all heard in the past. Swap jokes,take each others money in poker, drink too much. Bring the younger ones along to introduce them to the culture.

Believe me. Animals are rarely in danger with this crowd.

But recent events over the last few years have finally pushed me to purchase handguns. Never liked the idea but my wife convinced me that the RW is plainly overboard nuts.

We have all seen how crazy these people are with the talk of civil war. No one on the left talks like this that I have ever heard.

What i find deeply disturbing is there is NO ammunition to be had. The shelves are cleared out. These people are getting ready.

In talking with people in the gun culture they assume I'm one of them. I guess I look the part with the covid buzz cut. But the stuff that they spout off about so freely is really revealing. Scary, reaffirmation that perhaps I made the right decision.

Is anyone else rethinking their stance on firearms?


Post script
I'd like to thank everyone for the thought provoking responses.

Some folks understood the point i was raising, some just reacted without much thought. Was expecting to get flamed, wasn't as bad as i expected.

Stay safe

 

Star Member Skittles (129,820 posts)

2. **** no

I am not a gun humping moron

 

Iggo (42,948 posts)

10. Gun****ers love to talk like that.

They think it doesn't make them sound like cowards.

dawg day (5,314 posts)

4. No. I'm not going to shoot anyone.

I don't think anyone will come gunning for me, and I've read too many accounts of scared inexperienced new gunners shooting some random person out of fear and stupidity.

I agree, though, there's some appeal in fighting fire with fire with these angry MAGAts.

Star Member Zoonart (6,063 posts)

5. Me either. NO

F@#$ it. I don't want to survive the zombie apocalypse.

Star Member NRaleighLiberal (50,818 posts)

7. nope. never shot, touched, or wanted a gun. never will either

Star Member Dem2theMax (7,464 posts)

9. No. But I live in an area where the Republicans would actually protect me.

They like me 'in spite' of my politics.

I'm sure a lot of people have guns where I live.

I know it sounds silly, but where I live, I'm more concerned about rattlesnakes and skunks. You don't go out after dark where I live. The zoo is alive!

Star Member PoindexterOglethorpe (14,288 posts)

13. No.

That's crazy talk.

Personally, I think all guns should be confiscated, which I recognize is a minority opinion. But the question you, Ferryboat, should be asking yourself is why? And why is it that most other countries get along extremely well without average citizens being armed to the teeth?

Ferryboat (255 posts)

25. You raise a very good point

A good resource i follow is[link:http://thetrace.org

Just starting a difficult discussion. Dont assume that I'm a gun humping moron just because I'm asking a question that is controversial.

Alot of people had to rethink their position on gun control during the Rodney King riots in LA when the cops were too busy.

Star Member PoindexterOglethorpe (14,288 posts)

55. To someone "rethinking" their position on gun control, they need to think a whole lot harder.

What exactly is different now? Why do you honestly feel that you, who never wanted a gun before, will somehow be safer now? Are you blissfully ignorant, or suddenly in denial of the statistics on how a gun in the home makes everyone there a whole lot LESS safe?

It does seem to me as those who have guns, those who defend gun ownership, those who think you need to have a gun to be safe, are actually promoting a culture of not safe. They are implicitly saying, "It's okay to kill others." Period, no real discussion. To me it's not a lot different from those who claim that what happened at Sandy Hook was a bunch of actors, those children never died.

I have NEVER felt as if I needed a gun. Maybe I'm in blissful ignorance. I've never lived in an extremely unsafe neighborhood, just sometimes ones that could have been safer than they were. I rode the public bus in the DC area, as late as 1 am, sometimes even later. I worked at DCA, Washington National Airport, as a ticket agent, and if the flights were late, oh well. I didn't own a car my first seven years there and took the bus. Over the years I was sometimes asked if I felt unsafe riding the bus. I'd always laugh and point out that anyone wanting to target me would give up in despair, because I never rode the same bus even two days in a row because of the vagaries of when I actually got off work.

I will say this. That so long as guns are legal in this country, each and every one of them should be registered. As should each and every gun owner. And each and every gun owner should pass some kind of safety thing each and every year. I don't know enough about guns to suggest just what that safety thing should be. Others who are more knowledgeable can offer suggestions.

 

Star Member canetoad (11,604 posts)

16. Triple **** NO

And if you really must kill animals, I'd prefer you to be sober and make it a clean kill.

Star Member brush (29,111 posts)

17. I am. I'm a black man in Las Vegas, which is the purple part of Nevada. The rest of the state, and many residents of Vegas, is red and composed of gun-toting, trumpers. I want to have a chance at being able to retaliate if anything big goes down because I'd likely be a prime target.

The Mandalay Bay massacre attests to—you never know what's going to happen.

 

Star Member BigmanPigman (36,275 posts)

21. No, no NO!!!!!

A few loudmouths (usually rednecks) have nothing in their lives but BS, hate and more BS. The MSM gives this minority a lot more clout than they actually have. "Trade in your guns for brains" is what I say to them.

Star Member Happy Hoosier (1,595 posts)

27. Actually, I did when the tea baggers started up in 2010

I live in a sally blue island surrounded by red. I would not put pat some of the locals to decide to mess with the libruls in this college town. I trained properly and keep in a biometric safe.

 

Star Member TreasonousBastard (35,173 posts)

32. Nope. Around 50 years ago the Army gave me a gun and taught me how...to kill with it. Curiously, they knew enough to not let me walk around with it and it was securely locked up in the arms room when we weren't using it. Hand grenades, all sorts of ammo, mortar rounds... Lots of stuff in that ammo room.

It's almost like they knew something.

I never had to shoot anyone. Not even an "enemy", but I saw a lot of people who did. Very few of them wore it well. It wasn't like other wars, and the ones who saw action often never really understood what had happened to them. But something happened to them, and there was a big black hole inside.

Some of them loved it, but they were a small minority. These assholes running around in fatigues with a small fortune in paramilitary gear hanging off of them are play acting don't have the foggiest idea what it's like to be in a real shootin' war. Where other people shoot back.

It's just so sick that they have guns that work.

 

Star Member DFW (38,326 posts)

33. No, but I live in western Europe.

If I lived in a part of the USA where gun nuts from the radical right were allowed to roam freely, I might reconsider.

 

Star Member RainCaster (5,058 posts)

51. I have a large bore potato gun- does that count?

6 foot long 2 inch bore barrel. No rifling.
Powered by map gas & oxygen. Range at least 1/2 mile.

No interest in firearms, though I do own a rifle. I prefer h2h.

 

[Mary Ann]

We have all seen how crazy these people are with the talk of civil war. No one on the left talks like this that I have ever heard.

Hmm... I thought the civil war had already started, in Seattle, Minneapolis, NYC, Portland, etc.

[67 Rover]

Star Member Skittles (129,820 posts)

2. **** no

I am not a gun humping moron

No one ever accused you of gun humping. Moron yes, gun humping no.

[67 Rover]

Star Member PoindexterOglethorpe (14,288 posts)

55. To someone "rethinking" their position on gun control, they need to think a whole lot harder.

What exactly is different now? Why do you honestly feel that you, who never wanted a gun before, will somehow be safer now? Are you blissfully ignorant, or suddenly in denial of the statistics on how a gun in the home makes everyone there a whole lot LESS safe?

It does seem to me as those who have guns, those who defend gun ownership, those who think you need to have a gun to be safe, are actually promoting a culture of not safe. They are implicitly saying, "It's okay to kill others." Period, no real discussion. To me it's not a lot different from those who claim that what happened at Sandy Hook was a bunch of actors, those children never died.

I have NEVER felt as if I needed a gun. Maybe I'm in blissful ignorance. I've never lived in an extremely unsafe neighborhood, just sometimes ones that could have been safer than they were. I rode the public bus in the DC area, as late as 1 am, sometimes even later. I worked at DCA, Washington National Airport, as a ticket agent, and if the flights were late, oh well. I didn't own a car my first seven years there and took the bus. Over the years I was sometimes asked if I felt unsafe riding the bus. I'd always laugh and point out that anyone wanting to target me would give up in despair, because I never rode the same bus even two days in a row because of the vagaries of when I actually got off work.

I will say this. That so long as guns are legal in this country, each and every one of them should be registered. As should each and every gun owner. And each and every gun owner should pass some kind of safety thing each and every year. I don't know enough about guns to suggest just what that safety thing should be. Others who are more knowledgeable can offer suggestions.

Talk about walking around in condition White. 

[SVPete]

Star Member PoindexterOglethorpe (14,288 posts)

55. To someone "rethinking" their position on gun control, they need to think a whole lot harder.

What exactly is different now? Why do you honestly feel that you, who never wanted a gun before, will somehow be safer now? Are you blissfully ignorant, or suddenly in denial of the statistics on how a gun in the home makes everyone there a whole lot LESS safe?

Where I grew up (rural Central Valley of CA) "every" household had guns - not literally every, but lots of dove, pheasant, and deer hunters among people I knew. The number of accidental shootings or family murders among them? ZERO! And living 3 or 5 or 10 miles from town, a deputy sheriff could take 20 or 40 minutes (or more) to respond even to an emergency call, depending on how many miles away they were at the time of the call. Speaking personally, I think my Dad and I had two 12 gauge double barrels, a 20 gauge bolt action, a semi-auto .22, at least two rifles my Dad used for hunting deer, and a .38 revolver. And I'm the only one of my immediate family who has not died of natural causes ... yet, obviously.

[Old n Grumpy]

So, up to now I never needed one, BUT...I WANTED one so I have many.

As the violence on the left runs on unabated and in most cases approved by the left wing politicians it is becoming very clear that those of us who want to survive NEED a gun.

[USA4ME]

I would not prefer another civil war, but if the liberals with their lack of arming themselves want to turn it into a Turkey Shoot, I'm in favor of it.

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[Delmar]

This discussion thread was locked as off-topic by Omaha Steve (a host of the General Discussion forum).

The neck beard--who is still alive, incidentally--put his big foot down on this thread.

Response to Ferryboat (Original post)Wed Jul 15, 2020, 11:44 PM
Star Member underpants (151,360 posts)
11. Already gunned up.

Double barrel.

Slow Joe Biden's weapon of choice.  You just fire off both barrels in the air and the bad guys scatter like cockroaches.

In a Facebook "chat" Tuesday, the vice president said that he had advised his wife, Jill, to fire a shotgun in the air from their Delaware home's porch if she was concerned for her safety.

"I said, 'Jill, if there's ever a problem, just walk out on the balcony here, walk out and put that double-barrel shotgun and fire two blasts outside the house,'" Biden said.

"You don't need an AR-15—it's harder to aim," he added, "it's harder to use, and in fact you don't need 30 rounds to protect yourself. Buy a shotgun! Buy a shotgun!"

https://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2013/02/20/joe-biden-shotgun-advice-could-land-jill-biden-in-jail

[DumbAss Tanker]

Guns are bad, m'kay?  Us Conservatives don't have any of them Evil Black Rifles that go on killing sprees by themselves.  No sir.  None of them here.

[Movie buff- The Sequel]

My parents, who are even more conservative than I am yet have long had something of an aversion to guns, recently decided that the time had come for them to get one. Fortunately, they are doing things the right way, getting permits and planning to learn how to shoot and they've gotten a locked box in which to store it in the house. For this reason, that they're being smart about it, I support them in this.

They were motivated to this largely because of all the social unrest. My parents are getting on in years, not as strong as they once were, and as "Old white people," they'd likely be seen as prime targets for attacks should the rioting ever reach their neck of the woods (Especially if the rioters somehow discovered my dad is a retired investment banker who helped a lot of wealthy people manage their money, in which case Antifa vermin would classify him as an "Evil capitalist monster who should be executed for his crimes against social justice" or something). As someone, possibly Ann Coulter, once pointed out, guns are the great equalizer. They are how a frail old granny could protect herself from a 6'2", 19- year- old gangbanger out to beat and rob her, and they're how my aging parents could protect themselves from insane rioters eager to spread as much destruction and chaos as possible.
When my parents get the gun, they want my younger brother (Who is currently living with them, but eager to move back to Taiwan where he used to live as quickly as possible) and I to learn how to use it. Personally, although I've never felt the need to own a firearm myself (Though I support the right for others to do so legally and responsibly), I wouldn't mind learning. I'd view such a thing as similar to learning how to change a tire; Maybe not something I'll ever need to do, but in an emergency, it's a skill that could save my life.
Anyway, the DUmmies claiming that we are pushing for a civil war are so stupid and deluded. Nearly all of the talk about civil war and insurrection in recent years has come from the Left, including right there on the DUmp.

[freedumb2003b]

Ferryboat (255 posts)

25. You raise a very good point

A good resource i follow is[link:http://thetrace.org

Just starting a difficult discussion. Dont assume that I'm a gun humping moron just because I'm asking a question that is controversial.

Alot of people had to rethink their position on gun control during the Rodney King riots in LA when the cops were too busy.

They call you a gun-humping moron and you are OK with that.

Tells me you probably do not own a gun, much less a weapon, at all.

Or you are too much a baby and a coward to ever use it if you do own one.

[Old n Grumpy]

Dont assume that I'm a gun humping moron just because I'm asking a question that is controversial.

We wont assume, we know you are just a f**king moron.