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what does it mean when he commutes stone's sentence?
« on: July 10, 2020, 09:10:57 PM »
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demtenjeep (27,619 posts)
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what does it mean when he commutes stone's sentence?
Does he still go to jail?

Is he free?

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Star Member TheBlackAdder (16,498 posts)

1. Doesn't that mean Stone admits guilt & must freely participate in any othr criminal investigation?

 :whatever:

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Star Member The Velveteen Ocelot (85,304 posts)

4. No, that's a pardon. If he'd accepted a pardon he'd have to admit guilt, but a commuted sentence means only that he doesn't have to do the prison sentence. Bush II did the same thing for Scooter Libby.

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7. It could get thrown out in court. Stone's tweet ensures it.

He practically threatened to reveal all if he didn't get one. That tweet itself may be a crime.

 :whatever:

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Star Member The Velveteen Ocelot (85,304 posts)

9. It can't be thrown out in court because, like pardons, commutations are within a president's power under the Constitution: Article II, Section 2 states that the President "shall have power to grant reprieves and pardons for offenses against the United States, except in cases of impeachment". The Supreme Court has interpreted this language to include the power to grant commutations of sentences.

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cureautismnow (1,523 posts)

17. " ...except in cases of impeachment"

If the impeachment charges passed by the House had included the evidence obtained from the Russian investigation, it seems to me that the commutation could have been nullified or at least been decided ultimately in the SCOTUS.

As it stands, you can do the crime and not do the time if your buddy is the Orange clown. I bet Manafort skates next.

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cureautismnow (1,523 posts)

19. Wouldn't that preclude Trump from receiving a future pardon from Pence?

He WAS impeached.

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Fiendish Thingy (4,012 posts)

11. It means he's still a convicted felon, but can still take the fifth

But I hope Congress brings him in anyway, in the hopes that he will lie again, so he can be prosecuted again..

A pardon would have absolved him of any and all crimes he may have committed, regardless of whether he had been charged/convicted, whereas a commutation merely terminates his sentence.

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Star Member Gidney N Cloyd (17,443 posts)

15. Until Trump loses in November then Stone at some point gets the full pardon.

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Re: what does it mean when he commutes stone's sentence?
« Reply #1 on: July 11, 2020, 06:37:19 PM »
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what does it mean when he commutes stone's sentence?
Does he still go to jail?

Is he free?

Wow.  Just wow.  He/she/it is one damned dumb dummie. Extra special dumb.  Like brain damaged dumb.
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Re: what does it mean when he commutes stone's sentence?
« Reply #2 on: July 11, 2020, 07:09:23 PM »
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Response to The Velveteen Ocelot (Reply #20)Fri Jul 10, 2020, 10:26 PM
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29. The framers messed up then.

They screwed up with condoning slavery, establishing an electoral college, and giving a corrupt POTUS the powers of a King.
:nelson:

The primitive forgot their common gripe about California and Wyoming having the same number of senators.

Suck it dummies.
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Re: what does it mean when he commutes stone's sentence?
« Reply #3 on: July 11, 2020, 08:04:31 PM »
Quote from: I_B_Perky on July 11, 2020, 06:37:19 PM
Wow.  Just wow.  He/she/it is one damned dumb dummie. Extra special dumb.  Like brain damaged dumb.

It's Pamela.
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Re: what does it mean when he commutes stone's sentence?
« Reply #4 on: July 11, 2020, 08:27:54 PM »
Quote from: franksolich on July 11, 2020, 08:04:31 PM
It's Pamela.

Who may be the stupidest mutt there.
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Re: what does it mean when he commutes stone's sentence?
« Reply #5 on: July 11, 2020, 08:32:00 PM »
Quote from: franksolich on July 11, 2020, 08:04:31 PM
It's Pamela.

My memory is not what it used to be so forgive me here...  is she the teacher that shit herself in the class room?
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Re: what does it mean when he commutes stone's sentence?
« Reply #6 on: July 11, 2020, 08:38:52 PM »
Lurking DUmmies, commuting his sentence means that he has to serve his sentence on a train.
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Re: what does it mean when he commutes stone's sentence?
« Reply #7 on: July 11, 2020, 09:39:54 PM »
Quote from: I_B_Perky on July 11, 2020, 08:32:00 PM
My memory is not what it used to be so forgive me here...  is she the teacher that shit herself in the class room?
The one that appears to have some developmental complications.  Looks retarded
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Re: what does it mean when he commutes stone's sentence?
« Reply #8 on: July 12, 2020, 12:51:40 AM »
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29. The framers messed up then.

They screwed up with condoning slavery, establishing an electoral college, and giving a corrupt POTUS the powers of a King.

You're right.  You should pack up and move to a country that better suits your idea of utopia.
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Re: what does it mean when he commutes stone's sentence?
« Reply #9 on: July 12, 2020, 08:30:43 AM »
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what does it mean when he commutes stone's sentence?
Does he still go to jail?

Is he free?

How is someone this bleeping ignorant a public school teacher?!

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Star Member TheBlackAdder (16,498 posts)

1. Doesn't that mean Stone admits guilt & must freely participate in any othr criminal investigation?

It means Stone was convicted but will not serve time.. The conviction ended Stone's obligation to cooperate with criminal investigations to any degree greater than Star Moron TheBlackAdder's legal obligation to do the same.
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Re: what does it mean when he commutes stone's sentence?
« Reply #10 on: July 12, 2020, 09:05:29 AM »
Quote from: DUmpDiver on July 11, 2020, 08:38:52 PM
Lurking DUmmies, commuting his sentence means that he has to serve his sentence on a train.
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Re: what does it mean when he commutes stone's sentence?
« Reply #11 on: July 12, 2020, 09:24:50 PM »
Quote from: Carl on July 11, 2020, 08:27:54 PM
Who may be the stupidest mutt there.

DAMN!  That is one low bar!
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Re: what does it mean when he commutes stone's sentence?
« Reply #12 on: July 13, 2020, 07:15:48 AM »
Was Pam the one who made the Cabana Boy into the Cabana Man on a romantic cruise to nowhere?  I have a hard time keeping up with all their nom de plumes and petty foibles.  :)


My take on the Stone sentence commutation:  He can still plead the fifth and seek to have his conviction set aside if evidence of skullduggery is found as it was in the Flynn case.  I don't believe you can do that if you are pardoned.


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