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Offline CC27

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Has anyone actually read the Declaration of Independence? Like the whole thing?
« on: January 30, 2020, 07:52:05 AM »
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Has anyone actually read the Declaration of Independence? Like the whole thing?

 
Most people only know a few short snippets and John Hancock’s big ass signature at the bottom.

But if you actually sit down to read the entire document, the largest chunk is a long list of grievances against King George III.

In other words, this country was literally founded as a reaction against a leader’s abuse of his power.

So to say that abuse of power is not an impeachable offense runs contrary to our nation’s very birthright.

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Doe not sound like you have either.
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Re: Has anyone actually read the Declaration of Independence? Like the whole thing?
« Reply #1 on: January 30, 2020, 08:01:24 AM »
There is a key difference missing from this clumsy analysis; the colonists could not do anything about the king's abuses. The electorate in America today can do something about their leaders. That was the reason for the founding.

Also, the founders did not want any branch of government to have too much power. That includes congress. To interpret "high crimes and misdemeanors" as a catch-all for "whatever the **** congress thinks are impeachable offenses at any given moment", as the democrats have argued, is a total absurdity.
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Re: Has anyone actually read the Declaration of Independence? Like the whole thing?
« Reply #2 on: January 30, 2020, 08:23:59 AM »
Well, DU-Moron Tommy_Carcetti had you paid attention in 8th Grade history instead of making love to your :stoner: or making lust to your GF, you - and every other DU-Member - would have read it at age 13 or 14, if not earlier.

But great! What "abuse of power" did Trump commit, based on the "overwhelming evidence" gathered by Schifftyroo. Not your or Schifftyroo's  Oija-Board guess of what Trump thought or meant, but what evidence proves. Evidence ... ah, there's the rub! Because the phone call transcripts and testimony of what they saw or were instructed by Trump disprove what Schifftyroo claims Trump thought/meant/intended. Then there's Ukrainian officials' clear statements that contradict Schifftyroo's claims ...

... and that Biden video in which he claims he arm-twisted the Ukrainian prosecutor who was investigating Burisma. That video plus various Euro countries' actions against Burisma prove Trump's request that Ukraine investigate Burisma and the Biden's roles - criminal or not, which investigation would prove - was in the interest of the US, not an election-year gotcha (against someone who was and is far from certain to be the Dems' nominee).

Asserting executive privilege in response to Congressional subpoenas and waiting for the courts to decide the validity of the assertions is not an "abuse of power". Executive privilege is a counter to Congressional usurpation of powers and authority delegated by the US Constitution to the President rather than Congress. Schifftyroo decided to rush ahead with what he had, not fight Trump in court, and call the product of his kangaroo-court "investigation" overwhelming evidence.
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Re: Has anyone actually read the Declaration of Independence? Like the whole thing?
« Reply #3 on: January 30, 2020, 08:49:05 AM »
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In other words, this country was literally founded as a reaction against a leader’s abuse of his power.

So to say that abuse of power is not an impeachable offense runs contrary to our nation’s very birthright.

First of all, you need to define what your idea of abuse of power is.  President Trump implementing an agenda that is counter to your beliefs is not an abuse of power.
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Re: Has anyone actually read the Declaration of Independence? Like the whole thing?
« Reply #4 on: January 30, 2020, 01:02:50 PM »
Most Americans read it by 5th grade.  A DUchebag has never read it as it is a "living" Declaration if Independence.
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Re: Has anyone actually read the Declaration of Independence? Like the whole thing?
« Reply #5 on: February 01, 2020, 07:12:43 AM »
Quote from: CC27 on January 30, 2020, 07:52:05 AM

Doe not sound like you have either.

It's written in cursive,..... so.
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Re: Has anyone actually read the Declaration of Independence? Like the whole thing?
« Reply #6 on: February 01, 2020, 07:33:38 AM »
High taxes from the King were a big driver of the revolution. Confiscation of guns provided a huge spark. What are Democrats doing today?
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Re: Has anyone actually read the Declaration of Independence? Like the whole thing?
« Reply #7 on: February 01, 2020, 07:40:51 AM »
Almost none of those abuses have contemporary counterparts, but the few that do, there is a much better case that Obama was a much bigger violator than anything Trump has done.
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Re: Has anyone actually read the Declaration of Independence? Like the whole thing?
« Reply #8 on: February 01, 2020, 09:07:56 AM »
Quote from: thundley4 on February 01, 2020, 07:33:38 AM
High taxes from the King were a big driver of the revolution. Confiscation of guns provided a huge spark. What are Democrats doing today?

 :hi5: earned and issued!

Maybe Schifftyroo should heed this among the colonists' grievances: For depriving us, in many cases, of the benefits of trial by jury.
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