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Offline dutch508

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I am royally pissed
« on: July 24, 2019, 05:18:12 PM »
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Atticus (5,913 posts)
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I watched every minute of Mueller's testimony this morning and I am royally pissed
about the way it is being portrayed on TV. Rather than being a "disaster" or "a great disappointment" for the Democrats, I heard a very careful and measured recitation which clearly contradicted Trump's "total exoneration" bs and took viewers through the three elements of the crime of obstruction of justice three separate times with Mueller agreeing that there was "substantial evidence" to prove each element. He also specifically disagreed that the report had found that Trump had not engaged in a conspiracy with the Russians but that there was insufficient evidence---in his opinion, given the lies and obstruction---to meet the criminal burden of proof.

If you judge the hearing for its "entertainment" value, yes, I guess it was a disappointment. If you judge it for whether or not it gave detailed substantiation of Trump's numerous crimes, it succeeded and should be the cause of great discomfort in the White House.

It remains to be seen whether or not the media can and will spin it as a "disaster".

In the DUmp's view you are presumed guilty until you can prove yourself innocent. Lack of proof you are guilty means you are guilty. the DOJ NOT being able to prove you committed a crime means you are guilty.

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Iliyah (18,228 posts)

1. No they won't. Corporate media is playing up for the RWers . . .

Everyone else knows t-rump is a criminal before, during. RWers are scared. Spin, spin, spin . . .

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2. I watched and/or listened to every minute of Mueller's testimony this morning and...

it was a disaster and it doesn't have anything to do with "entertainment value". One of the few nuggets this debacle succeeded in bringing to the fore was erased at the opening of the Intel session to boot. Other than that, the Intel session seems to be going a little better though.

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UniteFightBack (4,218 posts)

7. Thank you for being an objective person. To me it looks like Mueller did not even read his own

damn report. Pretty damn painful to watch this morning.

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Star Member Laura PourMeADrink (27,699 posts)

33. Noticed that too. We and the House seem to know

what's in it more than he. Why we need to get his deputies. Trump blocking of course. Strikes me that all the years we said he would know this and that... probably not true. He was the manager. We needed middle management.

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Star Member PatrickforO (8,704 posts)

38. I don't share that view. We knew the Republicans would try to

a) attack Mueller's credibility, and
b) obfuscate by trying to bring Clinton into it, and
c) ask questions they knew he'd been ordered by Barr not to answer, so they can have it on the 'record.'

However, in spite of that, we have established that Trump has obstructed justice on at least one occasion, and has tampered with a witness on at least one occasion.

So I wouldn't call it a 'disaster' except perhaps for Trump.

The corporate media can spin it however they want, and right wing trolls can laugh and joke and make fun of Mueller's stammering, but those facts still remain.

the new DNC/DU/Lunatic Lucy's football: Barr ordered Mueller not to tell the truth.

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Star Member barbtries (21,689 posts)

4. this is why

i don't watch news anymore.
watching on cspan. i mute the republicans, and check in with DU and twitter for parts i missed.
our country is simply slimed in bullshit. it's too frustrating.

 :mental:

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Star Member octoberlib (10,754 posts)

6. I don't think it was a disaster at all . Media pundits can go **** themselves.

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Star Member happy feet (316 posts)

68. Yup! The setup was already in when they

set the expectation that unless there was a dramatic moment it would be a bust for the Democrats. I turned off the commentary as I listened to the hearing up until11:30am.

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Star Member Bettie (6,782 posts)

14. A quick review of Facebook this morning

I have liberal and conservative friends and relatives.

The liberals tend toward thinking it went well overall.

The conservatives are angry that the Republicans appeared to be incompetent (saw that word more than once)...so, not as much of a disaster as the talking heads would lead us to think.

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Star Member pazzyanne (3,007 posts)

15. I also watched every minute of Mueller's testimony

And totally agree with your assessment. For anyone who had not read the report prior to the committee hearing this morning, it definitely highlighted the important points that Barr tried to hide from the American public. The criticism I heard was that it wasn't very "inspiring" or wasn't flashy enough. Sorry, but I wasn't expecting Perry Mason. Mueller is not a career actor. He did his job, all the while making sure he did not step over any line that could come back to bite him. I am really enjoying the hearing this afternoon!

wait just a second... you just said anyone could read it... so how could Barr hide parts of it from the public? For ****'s face! I can buy the som'bitch at Walmart for $16.95! Not too bloody well hidden!

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brandnewday2009 (282 posts)

23. They don't want to lose their meal ticket...

**** the country---the Rump is ratings gold!

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DallasNE (5,371 posts)

49. In The Mueller Report

He said he could not prove intent on the conspiracy charge because nobody would talk (5th Amendment). And he attributed that to Whitehouse interference. Indeed, the reason for no conspiracy was because of the obstruction.

 :thatsright:

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Star Member Hoyt (38,602 posts)

64. I was pessimistic going in, but was quite impressed with Dems and message from Hearing.

To me, the problem this morning was that Mueller said right off in his opening that the trump campaign did not conspire, coordinate, collude, or whatever you call it.

But, by the end of the day -- primarily with Schiff's excellent chairmanship -- I think the whole thing was turned around. It was clear Russians are still doing same things, are planning to interfere in 2020, and trump is doing absolutely nothing about it because he's compromised.

I doubt more people will scream for Impeachment, but the Hearing hurt trump.

Does that mean Barry, who knew all about the russians during the 2016, is compromised?  :???:

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Re: I am royally pissed
« Reply #1 on: July 25, 2019, 09:02:04 AM »
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Star Member barbtries (21,689 posts)
4. this is why
i don't watch news anymore.
watching on cspan. i mute the republicans, and check in with DU and twitter for parts i missed.

our country is simply slimed in bullshit. it's too frustrating.

That's a bold strategy, Dummy.
Permanently cement your status as an LIV.
What could possibly go wrong? ::)
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Re: I am royally pissed
« Reply #2 on: July 25, 2019, 11:07:57 AM »
Must be nice to have the time to watch ALL 9 HOURS of the Mueller questioning. Well, I guess when you're a jobless burden on society like the DUmbasses are, this gives you the ability to waste your time like that.
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Re: I am royally pissed
« Reply #3 on: July 25, 2019, 12:08:02 PM »
Does that mean Barry, who knew all about the russians during the 2016, is compromised?  :???:

"Compromise" might be interpreted to mean that there was some division to the loyalties of Reggie Love's Li'l Bitch. In my experience, there was no such dividion: Li'l Bitch was 100% committed to the downfall of this country. (Well, that and gettiing his anus destroyed by any real/simulated male appendage that entered his orbit...)
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Re: I am royally pissed
« Reply #4 on: July 25, 2019, 12:26:39 PM »
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I watched every minute of Mueller's testimony this morning and I am royally pissed

Is that good or bad? :panic:

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the way it is being portrayed on TV. Rather than being a "disaster" or "a great disappointment" for the Democrats,

It is impeachment named TITANIC!! :lmao: :lmao: :lmao: :lmao: :-) :-) :-) :-) :rotf: :rotf: :rotf: :rotf:

Even ralfie mad cow will have trouble spinning this one! :lmao: :lmao: :lmao: :loser: :loser: :loser: :loser:

Life is tough and it’s even tougher when you’re stupid

Basking in the glow of my white Privilege and toxic masculinity while I water the Begonias with liberal tears!

I will give up my guns when the liberals give up their illegal aliens

We need a Bull Shit tax to make the Democrats go broke!

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Re: I am royally pissed
« Reply #5 on: July 25, 2019, 07:32:19 PM »
Is that good or bad? :panic:

It is impeachment named TITANIC!! :lmao: :lmao: :lmao: :lmao: :-) :-) :-) :-) :rotf: :rotf: :rotf: :rotf:

So would that make these two circus acts disguised as congressional hearngs the iceberg?
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