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Star Member brooklynite (52,698 posts)https://www.democraticunderground.com/100212301752If the House Impeaches Donald Trump and the Senate doesn't convict, what will you do?Trump will still be President Republicans will be riled up by the impeachment and likely to vote in larger numbers. There will likely be no significant increase in the number of people who think he’s guilty. What then?
NNadir (22,912 posts) 2. I was a young man when Nixon went down.As a result, I really question the basis of your claim, "There will likely be no significant increase in the number of people who think he’s guilty." This is not what happened in 1974. The opposite is true. People became convinced, including many Republican members of the House, that Nixon was guilty. There will also be a Senate trial and the Senators who vote against impeachment of a man who is clearly and openly a criminal will stand, if not in elections, then certainly in the docket of history.
Trumpocalypse (4,051 posts) 43. The impeachment hearings didn't change people's minds about Nixonit was the Senate hearings in 73 that did.
Star Member Thunderbeast (636 posts) 6. The evidence will be overwhelmingand every Republican Senator will be on the record. They may energize their base, but independents will see their partisan votes, in the face of indisputable facts, in sharp relief. Let them run on that.
in2herbs (535 posts) 9. There's a lot of assumptions in this post meaning that your theory is as plausible as atheory that the truth that comes out in the hearing will change the minds of enough people to vote him out of office. I'm supporting impeachment and picking up the pieces to restore democracy. I liked Tim Wise's twitter feed today -- emphasize that the occupant of the WH is a racist during the campaign.
Star Member TreasonousBastard (32,301 posts) 11. Move.
Freelancer (1,228 posts) 13. Impeach him again for the crimes of last week, then again next week, etc.Keep throwing it in the Senate's face. Make them go on record as being okay with DT's outrages over and over. One thing we know -- what doesn't stick to DT sticks to everyone around him.
Star Member YOHABLO (6,037 posts) 27. You are making assumptions that can't be verified. By the way, his base is already riled up.The people we're after are those who sat out the past election because they disliked Hillary, and Independent voters. Also there are many, what I would call x-Republicans, or never Trumpers, who may have seen the light. A lot can happen.
ProudLib72 (17,512 posts) 33. Then it will obvious to everyone that the GOP are enablersof the single worst president in history. We can go on to denounce him as a racist, misogynist, rapist who cheated to win the election, and that will stick.
sueh (1,607 posts) 39. I think that even if he Senate doesn't convict, swing voters and independent voterswill re-think voting for trump after they learn about his crimes from the impeachment hearings.
onenote (32,621 posts) 45. You give people too much creditIf there is a trial in the Senate, Trump's attorney will present an aggressive , highly legalistic defense and he'll be acquitted. The fact that evidence of his guilt is presented won't ultimately matter. The legal arguments will soon cause the average person to lose interest and the ultimate headline: Trump acquitted will be the takeaway for those who hadn't already made up their minds before the trial started.
Fullduplexxx (2,670 posts) 48. Impeach but dont refer it o the senateEf
Everyman Jackal (203 posts) 50. If and when impeachment comes is not the important thing right now. Articles of Impeachment is what is important. The House controls Articles of Impeachment. The Democrats will pick who they will interrogate. The Democrats will control what documents are seen. The Democrats will decide how long they will investigate under Articles of Impeachment. Without Articles of Impeachment Trump and the Republicans will say that Trump is innocent of any wrongdoing. If the Democrats say he is guilty of crimes the Republicans will ask why wasn't there any impeachment proceedings. Besides if the Democrats don't bring Articles of Impeachment how are the voters going to react. Without Articles of Impeachment Pelosi and other House Democrats will have other Democrats running against them and the Democrats will probably lose the House. Then Trump will own the government. 2021 will bring the United States closer to a fascist government than we ever thought possible.
Star Member lark (12,900 posts) 52. I think this is a flawed premise.If impeachment hearings are held and the information on drumpfs' criminality and treason are more widely shared, why would some people not change their minds? They only know the drumpf/barr lies, not the truth. I think a lot of people will be positively informed of the real danger and threats Mueller uncovered and will be struck how Barr took the real investigations off the table for his party's gain and to the detriment of American law. Yes, the 30 some percent of criminal haters and greedy rich will still support him, but it will definitely hurt him on the margins. Have the hearing but don't refer it to the Senate, stop and issue a condemnation of the thief. Use all the information in 2020 ads and get rid of him that way with a newly enlightened populace.
Hotler (6,042 posts) 57. Impeachment proceedings are more than removing the man from office.I'm thinking impeachment investigations and hearings will expose to all of America and the world all of shit stains shittiness. The humiliation, shame , embarrassment he will suffer will be what brings him down. He will be ruined, no one will do any business with anymore and the bankers will call in the debt and the man will be broken.
Star Member brooklynite (52,698 posts)https://www.democraticunderground.com/100212301752If the House Impeaches Donald Trump and the Senate doesn't convict, what will you do?Trump will still be PresidentRepublicans will be riled up by the impeachment and likely to vote in larger numbers.There will likely be no significant increase in the number of people who think he’s guilty.What then?
Freelancer (1,228 posts) 13. Impeach him again for the crimes of last week, then again next week, etc.
Fullduplexxx (2,670 posts) 48. Impeach but dont refer it o the senate
... If you can talk with crowds and keep your virtue, Or walk with Kings—nor lose the common touch,If neither foes nor loving friends can hurt you, If all men count with you, but none too much;If you can fill the unforgiving minute With sixty seconds’ worth of distance run, Yours is the Earth and everything that’s in it, And—which is more—you’ll be a Man, my son!
He will be reelected in 2020 and you dimocrats will lose the majority in congress, the gruesome 4 some will be sent back home and we will gain more seats in the senate.Then our President will appoint at least 1 or more conservatives to the supreme court and a lot of other federal courts.Then we will be watching all you dimocrat losers piss and moan and watch your heads explode.
SDNY Ends Michael Cohen Investigation With No Additional Indictments Forthcoming... Cohen cooperated with federal prosecutors as part of his plea deal with the government, but their wider effort is now over, U.S. District Court Judge William Pauley wrote in a three-page order."The Government now represents that it has concluded the aspects of its investigation that justified the continued sealing of the portions of the Materials relating to Cohen’s campaign finance violations," Pauley wrote.The judge, an appointee of President Bill Clinton, made the disclosure in a ruling on a related matter dealing with the release of sealed information contained in already-public search warrants tied to the Cohen case.
God they are stupid.
