Star Member groundloop (7,393 posts)
https://www.democraticunderground.com/100212255958
Epstein Clinton link?
Since the news of Jeffry Epstein's arrest came out, and his link to tRump, a few people have mentioned that Epstein was also friendly with Bill Clinton. I knew nothing of that, so wasn't able to offer up any kind of response.
All I've been able to find so far is that Bill Clinton rode on Epstein's plane a number of times. I'm sure that the right wingers I work with will be bringing up the Clinton connection, so can anyone point me toward some factual information about this?
Star Member EffieBlack (13,960 posts)
2. You can start here:
http://www.google.com
Star Member groundloop (7,393 posts)
12. Thanks, that was ever so helpful.
Do you think I'd be posting this if I hadn't spent some time with google first?
DUH.
Star Member emulatorloo (37,406 posts)
28. I guess if you couldn't find anything on google, maybe you should self-delete your OP?
google is already deleting any negative news about [D]s...
gratuitous (65,616 posts)
3. I've heard about that, too
The funny thing about having principles (principles like don't sex traffic girls) is that they apply to folks you don't like as well as folks you like. If Clinton is shown to have participated in the sex trafficking (rather than simply being friendly with a very wealthy man), I'll gladly see him go down for it. A person has to be a special kind of stupid to think that if Clinton was mixed up in Epstein's sleaziness it somehow lets Trump off the hook for the same thing. I realize that argument will be put forward by some Very Serious People, but it should be called for the bullshit it is each and every time.
well, we know Bill like young girls...
especially interns...
Star Member EffieBlack (13,960 posts)
22. There has never been any evidence that Clinton was involved with Epstein's sleazy sex life
And you can bet that, if there was even a scintilla, it would have been rubbed in our faces years ago by the people who turned consensual sex, Benghazi and some stray emails into years-long scandals.
Star Member MLAA (3,777 posts)
23. Exactly, rape is rape. Doesn't matter if R or D. If guilty, they need to be in prison.
... but is it rape rape?
Star Member EffieBlack (13,960 posts)
24. Impossible to prove a negative
The impossibility of proving something DIDN’T happen is what Clinton’s enemies bank on...
omg... irony is off the ****ing charts!!!!
Star Member emulatorloo (37,406 posts)
36. If you can't find facts, then why would you want to spread these rumors?
I admit to being confused.
Star Member lapfog_1 (21,612 posts)
57. Epstein also was connected to the Clinton Foundation
both as a donor and possibly as one of the co-founders.
So far there has not been an allegation of Bill Clinton having sexual conduct with underage girls from the few who has testified... but then we only have testimony from a very few of the dozens to hundreds of women involved.
Of the women who have come forward with allegations of people other than Epstein they were to engage with sexually include Prince Andrew, Alan Dershowitz, President Trump, and many other current or former world leaders (Bill Richardson). There is also an allegation that these sexual contacts were secretly recorded by Epstein to be used to blackmail the various powerful people involved.
uh..... no.
Mach1miles (31 posts)
13. This won't go well here.
Best to let it rest and let the courts sort it out.
guilty of thought crime.
Star Member GoCubsGo (21,851 posts)
18. Epstein donated millions to the Clinton Foundation.
It remains to be seen whether or not their relationship went beyond that. Epstein was chummy with LOTS of public figures, male and female. He he's a businessman and does a lot of his business on his private islands. A lot of people rode on his planes. There aren't really any other ways to get there if you don't own a private jet. And, a lot of his friends and associates have their own planes, so not riding on them doesn't absolve those whose names never showed up on the manifests (e.g., Donald J. Trump.)
Just remind your co-workers that Bill Clinton is not the co-defendant on rape charges against Epstein. Trump is.
again, no. Blatant lie. trump provided info to the accuser's' lawyer... not a perp, but a witness for the prosecution, you ****ing maggots.
Star Member elfin (6,262 posts)
20. i suspect bad behavior by Clinton
Epstein was deliberate in finding people in power on both sides of politics and judiciary etc so he would be covered in case of more ethical people and institutions going after him.
As to Bill - it was probably "parties" that only included of age "escorts', or even something entirely innocent. No matter. He is on record as keeping company with the sleaze. So be it. Something else Hillary needs to clean up for the sake of Chelsea, marriage and on and on.
I have always wondered if the care she took to set up a private server was to hide more of Bill's "entanglements." She is pathologically private - with good reason. Not only to shield her family from the loony wingers, but to keep Bill's weaknesses from torpedoing her well-deserved accomplishments and ambitions.
BIG heat and connections are coming to bear to protect Epstein. Nauseating. All because he is uber-rich and is able to pander to the greed or salcaious weaknesses of others in Power.
Star Member EffieBlack (13,960 posts)
25. You're doing a lot of baseless speculation with absolutely no evidence
jberryhill (56,680 posts)
34. Welcome to DU
Didn't you know that Pence was called back to the WH the other day, because Trump and Pence were both going to be arrested for involvement in Eptein's crimes, thus making Nancy Pelosi president?
I learned that right here on DU.
I'm just waiting for confirmation from Louise Mensch and Michael Avenatti.
but I think he's being ironic...
Star Member solara (3,322 posts)
41. Maybe Pence is a little bit scared
or maybe has a guilty conscience- could be why he refuses to be in a room alone with a woman without his "Mother" - (erm, I mean Karen Pence) with him and maybe why he rushed back to DC in a panic ( I am assuming the panic part..I just SO wanna see him go DOWN)
Star Member AJT (3,855 posts)
50. I think Epstein will be pardoned by 45 before any trial.
It is a federal case, a pardon is possible. I doubt much of anything will get out.
It's better for Epstein to take the pardon and be guilty than to go through a very public trial.
Star Member AJT (3,855 posts)
66. Maybe, but if 45 is implicated in a trial the pardon would be better than the ugly
sick details of his encounters with young girls.
He'd make up some lame excuse for why he pardoned him, and his base would buy it.
Star Member maryellen99 (2,866 posts)
63. You all think BC rapes 13 year olds and lusts after his daughter like trump does? Nt