RAPE is an official "tool of war"

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http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x3839017


From a bonfire thread about the Duke Lacrosse stripper.

I'm skipping the OP because it devolved into a standard race and class baiting contest till this:

defendandprotect  (1000+ posts)       Fri Aug-22-08 07:47 PM
Response to Reply #43
59. And male athletes raping women also nothing unusual . . ..

 

 
 NeedleCast  (1000+ posts)      Fri Aug-22-08 07:51 PM
Response to Reply #59
61. Yes it is
 It's very unusual. The vast majority of male athletes have never raped anyone.

I understand how you members of the "all rich white kids are guilty of something" club feel though. This was your slam-dunk case, and it turned out to be completely false. 

defendandprotect  (1000+ posts)       Fri Aug-22-08 08:02 PM
Response to Reply #61
66. The vast majority of soldiers have probably raped no one --- but many do . . .
 Same with athletes and there's a long history of this --- on the record.

There's an interesting Rolling Stone article on this campus and its reputation ---
which was given according to students there --

I don't know that those of us posting here --- concerned with justice --- line up
as anti-"rich white kids" --- or believe they are all "guilty of something."

I do think that many of us are concerned that the power play/money wasn't on the side
of the law.

However . . . time will tell -- people have a way of talking as years so by.

 

NeedleCast  (1000+ posts)      Fri Aug-22-08 08:13 PM
Response to Reply #66
69. Do You Have Evidence
 that the number of rapes committed by soldiers or athletes is above the norm?

What is your concern for justice here? Your only claim here seems to be that "rich white kids always get the breaks" and to some extent, I agree with you.

However, the evidence in this case showed, very convincingly, that these guys were innocent of the charges. The (rich, white) DA who prosecuted them was disbarred for his involvement.

Your comments seem to show that you think (at least some classes of people) should be considered guilty until proven innocent (and even then, should still be held under suspicion). 

defendandprotect  (1000+ posts)       Fri Aug-22-08 08:21 PM
Response to Reply #69
70. The evidence is in the news every day --- RAPE is an official "tool of war" ---
 if you happen to notice what goes on in our war zones ---

and the patriarchal war on women and children continues on ---

The cover-ups are also nothing new . . . .

I'm not saying that we KNOW what happened in this case ---

But the hyper-sensitivity of male society to these charges is also highly evident ---

you can see it here in this post ---

There is no proof that the alleged victim made false charges ---

and there is only proof that the charges were dropped because they were

insufficient.

The rest of it seems to be a frame-up of the prosecutor when he didn't take the

first hints that he was dealing with powerful families.

ourbluenation  (1000+ posts)      Fri Aug-22-08 07:54 PM
Response to Reply #59
62. As a rape crisis agency administrator I can tell you with some authority that you.are.wrong.
 Edited on Fri Aug-22-08 07:55 PM by ourbluenation
and as a mother of a male athlete, thanks for perpetuating the stereotype.

 

 

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 defendandprotect  (1000+ posts)       Fri Aug-22-08 08:05 PM
Response to Reply #62
67. Well, the "stereotype" is certainly alive and well as far as I can see the record . . . 
 Edited on Fri Aug-22-08 08:12 PM by defendandprotect
So -- if some athletes rape, then your son must be a rapist?

That's like the right-wing family groups saying that if such a high percentage of
males rape, then everyone's son must be a rapist....


Rape is also a very highly underreported crime ---

Look around the world at male behavior -

Look even at our own White House where the occupant was accused of rape ---

defendandprotect  (1000+ posts)       Fri Aug-22-08 07:00 PM
Response to Reply #3
39. and we've never seen a case like this before . . . !!!
 This will continue on as the Tawana Brawley case has ---

There are any numbers of them who might one day break and tell the truth
about what happened that night ---

 

TheWraith  (1000+ posts)      Fri Aug-22-08 08:07 PM
Response to Reply #39
68. By God, are you really that crazy?
 Edited on Fri Aug-22-08 08:07 PM by TheWraith
We already know the truth. Despite a pair of top to bottom investigations, there is NO evidence that anything happened other than what the players described, and a lot of evidence to prove that what the accuser described could not possibly have happened.

It was a completely false charge. Why are you so obsessed with it?

defendandprotect  (1000+ posts)       Fri Aug-22-08 08:26 PM
Response to Reply #68
74. Calm yourself . . . .
 You need to think you know the truth ---
There was NO trial based on these charges ---

Nor is there any proof this this woman lied ---

Again --- as with the Tawana Brawley case, this one will remain a lingering question ---

Lingering Questions... 



 

 
 

[Miss Mia]

Some "feminist" cannot understand that the woman in the Duke lacross case LIED. 

[MrsSmith]

Some "feminist" cannot understand that the woman in the Duke lacross case LIED. 

Women never lie.   

As the mother of sons, wife of a divorced man, and sister of a divorced man, I can guarantee that women will lie their  off for sex, money or revenge.  {not all, of course, but some.   Just as not all men are rapists.} 

[GOBUCKS]

Re the Duke case, as I recall, after her underwear was peeled off the wall and tested, she had enough DNA evidence to accuse a half dozen people - but none of them played lacrosse for Duke.

[Miss Mia]

Re the Duke case, as I recall, after her underwear was peeled off the wall and tested, she had enough DNA evidence to accuse a half dozen people - but none of them played lacrosse for Duke.

She had semen from two people, neither any of the Duke Lacross players or her boyfriend. 

[EastFacingNorth]

Some "feminist" cannot understand that the woman in the Duke lacross case LIED. 

Women never lie.   

As the mother of sons, wife of a divorced man, and sister of a divorced man, I can guarantee that women will lie their  off for sex, money or revenge.  {not all, of course, but some.   Just as not all men are rapists.} 

That's why it is my opinion that the penalty for making a false allegation of rape should be identical to the penalty for the type of rape accused.  Including mandatory registration on the Sex Offender registry.  And there should be no prosecutorial discretion - every case gets tried.

[TheSarge]

This DUmmies outlook on the military and what he think does and doesn't go on daily is a direct result of watching too much Full Metal Jacket, Platoon and Casualties of War.

[Airwolf]

Some "feminist" cannot understand that the woman in the Duke lacross case LIED. 

Women never lie.   

As the mother of sons, wife of a divorced man, and sister of a divorced man, I can guarantee that women will lie their  off for sex, money or revenge.  {not all, of course, but some.   Just as not all men are rapists.} 

You know my ex girlfriend?

[MrsSmith]

Some "feminist" cannot understand that the woman in the Duke lacross case LIED. 

Women never lie.   

As the mother of sons, wife of a divorced man, and sister of a divorced man, I can guarantee that women will lie their  off for sex, money or revenge.  {not all, of course, but some.   Just as not all men are rapists.} 

You know my ex girlfriend?

I may not...but my brother might.