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If Religion Is Not Just a Metaphor for Superstition, Rockhead
« on: February 07, 2019, 07:58:59 AM »
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If Religion Is Not Just a Metaphor for Superstition,

 
why do people wear St. Christopher medals as necklaces or have a statuette of that saint in their car and expect to travel safely? How is that different from carrying a rabbit's foot or avoiding walking under ladders or throwing spilled salt over your shoulder?

Why are there "Patron Saints" to pray to for all sorts of human activities? How is that different from "knocking on wood" to prevent bad outcomes?

Why are relics of saints so revered in the Roman Catholic Church? How is that different from wearing a MAGA hat?

Why is saying the Rosary multiple times while counting the repetitions on a set of beads seen as an act of faith, and not one of pure superstition? How is that different from a child avoiding stepping on cracks while walking down the sidewalk or two parochial high school football teams praying for victory at the same time?

No evidence exists that those ritual and superstitious habits have any impact on the probability of anything happening or not happening, so why do religious or superstitious people expect them to have such an effect?

How is religion distinguished from superstition? Both involve expectation of results from unproven beliefs and practices.

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My question is why do you give a crap so much about what other people do?

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Re: If Religion Is Not Just a Metaphor for Superstition, Rockhead
« Reply #1 on: February 07, 2019, 08:12:11 AM »
Geezuz.

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.….expectation of results from unproven beliefs and practices.

I've rarely seen a better description of Demos, primitives, the lorgnette-and-pearls snobs at DU Jr., and Skins's island, than this.
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Re: If Religion Is Not Just a Metaphor for Superstition, Rockhead
« Reply #2 on: February 07, 2019, 08:31:29 AM »
 :lmao: Thesaural mental masturbation. :lmao:
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Re: If Religion Is Not Just a Metaphor for Superstition, Rockhead
« Reply #3 on: February 07, 2019, 08:42:12 AM »
My question is why do you give a crap.....

It must be pointed out that Minnesota Moses, who until recently had posted little or anything dealing with religion, is past the proverbial three-score-and-ten, and now more than ever aware of his mortality.

It's an end-of-life way of thinking; having denigrated God and religion much of his life, he desperately seeks to confirm that his anger and resentment against them was justified and valid.  He needs really badly to be proven right; otherwise he'd lived in vain.

Alas for Minnesota Moses, but it's his own fault.
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Re: If Religion Is Not Just a Metaphor for Superstition, Rockhead
« Reply #4 on: February 07, 2019, 09:43:51 AM »
I wear a cross not for "good luck" or for any Godly benefits. I wear it to identify myself to others as a Christian. Do some people put more importance in images and relics than they should? Yes they do, and in my mind that is a form of idolatry. Christ didn't promise us a rose garden in this life, just assistance in maintaining our faith. The OP should read the Bible and understands what is asked of us and what is given to us. To watch fallen, imperfect people in an effort to determine what the faith is all about is like watching a sandlot baseball game to discern the rules of Major League Baseball.
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Re: If Religion Is Not Just a Metaphor for Superstition, Rockhead
« Reply #5 on: February 07, 2019, 01:19:16 PM »
Does Rockhead spend an equal amount of time pondering the reasons why immigrants from third world s*%t holes hang those miniature flags from their former abode on their rear view mirrors? To remember the good times?
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Re: If Religion Is Not Just a Metaphor for Superstition, Rockhead
« Reply #6 on: February 07, 2019, 02:43:34 PM »
He reduces all religion to catholicism when even Catholics don't do that.
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Re: If Religion Is Not Just a Metaphor for Superstition, Rockhead
« Reply #7 on: February 07, 2019, 03:11:08 PM »
look how rational this dummy was here, he's shocked it's cold in Minnesota in the winter:

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Re: If Religion Is Not Just a Metaphor for Superstition, Rockhead
« Reply #8 on: February 07, 2019, 09:33:36 PM »
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Both involve expectation of results from unproven beliefs and practices.

Kind of like the mueller investigation or adam shiftles's probes. :lmao: :lmao: :loser: :loser:
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Re: If Religion Is Not Just a Metaphor for Superstition, Rockhead
« Reply #9 on: February 07, 2019, 10:33:32 PM »
>expectation of results from unproven beliefs and practices.

Like you and your faith in socialism in denial of its proven failure.

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Re: If Religion Is Not Just a Metaphor for Superstition, Rockhead
« Reply #10 on: February 08, 2019, 12:01:06 AM »
There's the physical realm of which we all live, and there's the spiritual realm where God exists. One can use their 5 senses to understand the physical realm, but it takes disciplined intellect and proper study to understand the spiritual realm. Rockhead has never demonstrated any genuine desire to understand the spiritual realm as it would require putting out effort he simply doesn't care to exert. So be it.

All mankind can come to understand the spiritual realm, so it's not a matter of Rockhead not having the capacity to do so, it's a matter of free-will if one wishes to put out the proper effort, and there's nothing to suggest he holds that desire. He's not alone in this. For many people, it's easier to dismiss something that asks you to change your life, which would mean turning over your will and your desires to something on a higher plane and a higher purpose, the spiritual being higher than the physical. To the Rockhead's of the world, their physical desires are their only higher purpose. However, his simplicity of intellect (I'm being kind) does not lessen the fact that there is a spiritual realm, it can be studied, and a sufficient understanding of it can be achieved.

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Re: If Religion Is Not Just a Metaphor for Superstition, Rockhead
« Reply #12 on: February 08, 2019, 08:38:03 AM »
 :hi5: USA4ME! God created the universe. He is not part of what He created nor is He confined within it. Further, God is under no obligation to show Himself, nor is God harmed by the disbelief of people like MM.
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Re: If Religion Is Not Just a Metaphor for Superstition, Rockhead
« Reply #13 on: February 08, 2019, 10:42:02 AM »
:hi5: USA4ME! God created the universe. He is not part of what He created nor is He confined within it. Further, God is under no obligation to show Himself, nor is God harmed by the disbelief of people like MM.

In the long run, the only people harmed by disbelief are unbelievers.
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Re: If Religion Is Not Just a Metaphor for Superstition, Rockhead
« Reply #14 on: February 08, 2019, 10:53:39 AM »
In the long run, the only people harmed by disbelief are unbelievers.

I dunno ... which is a worse society? One in which principled people very occasionally fail? Or one in which unprincipled people do whatever is right in their own eyes? Our 50 year shift toward the latter suggests to me that would and will be far worse.
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Re: If Religion Is Not Just a Metaphor for Superstition, Rockhead
« Reply #15 on: February 08, 2019, 04:05:40 PM »
There's the physical realm of which we all live, and there's the spiritual realm where God exists. One can use their 5 senses to understand the physical realm, but it takes disciplined intellect and proper study to understand the spiritual realm. Rockhead has never demonstrated any genuine desire to understand the spiritual realm as it would require putting out effort he simply doesn't care to exert. So be it.

All mankind can come to understand the spiritual realm, so it's not a matter of Rockhead not having the capacity to do so, it's a matter of free-will if one wishes to put out the proper effort, and there's nothing to suggest he holds that desire. He's not alone in this. For many people, it's easier to dismiss something that asks you to change your life, which would mean turning over your will and your desires to something on a higher plane and a higher purpose, the spiritual being higher than the physical. To the Rockhead's of the world, their physical desires are their only higher purpose. However, his simplicity of intellect (I'm being kind) does not lessen the fact that there is a spiritual realm, it can be studied, and a sufficient understanding of it can be achieved.

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Re: If Religion Is Not Just a Metaphor for Superstition, Rockhead
« Reply #16 on: February 08, 2019, 08:53:00 PM »
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If Religion Is Not Just a Metaphor for Superstition,

 
why do people wear St. Christopher medals as necklaces or have a statuette of that saint in their car and expect to travel safely? How is that different from carrying a rabbit's foot or avoiding walking under ladders or throwing spilled salt over your shoulder?

Why are there "Patron Saints" to pray to for all sorts of human activities? How is that different from "knocking on wood" to prevent bad outcomes?

Why are relics of saints so revered in the Roman Catholic Church? How is that different from wearing a MAGA hat?

Why is saying the Rosary multiple times while counting the repetitions on a set of beads seen as an act of faith, and not one of pure superstition? How is that different from a child avoiding stepping on cracks while walking down the sidewalk or two parochial high school football teams praying for victory at the same time?

No evidence exists that those ritual and superstitious habits have any impact on the probability of anything happening or not happening, so why do religious or superstitious people expect them to have such an effect?

How is religion distinguished from superstition? Both involve expectation of results from unproven beliefs and practices.

One could also ask how modern day liberalism (aka socialism) is any different from insanity? Both involve expectation of different results after repeating the same thing.

Maybe the next time Blackie the Ghost Chicken drops in at DU he'll attempt to help MM with MM's cranial rectum inversion.
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Re: If Religion Is Not Just a Metaphor for Superstition, Rockhead
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31. Yes. Something like that.

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Re: If Religion Is Not Just a Metaphor for Superstition, Rockhead
« Reply #18 on: February 09, 2019, 09:17:39 AM »
My question is why do you give a crap so much about what other people do?

Here’s BSS’ take on this.  Catholics, indeed most practicing Christians, spend a lot of their money on their faith.  It’s not going to the Leftists’ “god,” Big Government.  They’re mad about that.
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Re: If Religion Is Not Just a Metaphor for Superstition, Rockhead
« Reply #19 on: February 09, 2019, 11:16:16 AM »
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Re: If Religion Is Not Just a Metaphor for Superstition, Rockhead
« Reply #20 on: February 09, 2019, 02:46:08 PM »
Would we not say that Liberalism is a metaphor for classism and slavery?
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