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GLOVES COME OFF HANOI JOHN
« on: August 20, 2008, 03:43:55 PM »
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27inCali (339 posts)      Tue Aug-19-08 03:10 PM
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GLOVES COME OFF HANOI JOHN
 Advertisements [?]If McGrumpy wants to pull the gloves off and hit bellow the belt, then he shouldn't expect any different treatment in return.

For the last few weeks, he's been saying that Obama would be willing to lose a war for his own political ambition.

In other words, McCain IS questioning Barack's patriotism directly. Which is disgusting.

Bush never did that to Kerry, as mean and bile filled as some of the attacks were. What McCain has done is what is unpatriotic.

To question the patriotism of a man who very well could be president. I think that constitutes a lack of patriotism. It's an insult to every American.

It is time we take the gloves off:

JOHN MCCAIN DID RECEIVE SPECIAL TREATMENT AS A POW. HE WORKED HARD TO KEEP ALL RECORDS OF HIS TIME AS A POW SEALED, EVEN WHEN IT WENT TOTALLY AGAINST THE WISHES OF POW FAMILIES WHO JUST WANTED TO KNOW THE TRUTH ABOUT WHAT HAPPENED TO THEIR LOVED ONES. WHY WOULD HE DO THAT UNLESS HE HAD SOLD OUT HIS COUNTRY: MAKING PROPAGANDA TAPES FOR THE ENEMIES ACCUSING OUR TROOPS OF BOMBING CIVILIANS ON PURPOSE, TAKING THE HANOI JANE LINE ALL THE WAY, SO THAT HE COULD BE GIVEN SPECIAL TREATMENT AND AVOID THE SAME AWFUL TREATMENT THE OTHER TROOPS RECEIVED.. NOW HE IS LYING ABOUT THE CROSS INCIDENT TO GARNER POINTS WITH THE RELIGIOUS CROWD - DEGRADING HIS TIME AS A POW TO NOTHING MORE THAN A CHEAP POLITICAL PROP AND DOING SO DISRESPECTING EVERY POW TO EVER SERVE THIS NATION. JOHN DOESN'T WANT YOU TO KNOW THE AWFUL THINGS HE'S SAID ABOUT THIS COUNTRY TO SPARE HIMSELF.

THE GLOVES ARE COMING OFF, HANOI JOHN


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Kristi1696  (1000+ posts)       Tue Aug-19-08 03:13 PM
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3. Nope. Sorry, but I don't agree with resorting to personal attacks...
 And, as I have not served, I'm not going to question anybody else's service.

Sorry, but no.


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atreides1  (1000+ posts)       Tue Aug-19-08 03:16 PM
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6. Stay on Your High Horse
 Edited on Tue Aug-19-08 03:24 PM by atreides1
And let others do the fighting. That way you can keep your hands clean.

I have served and at one time held McCain in great respect, but respect is something that has to be earned constantly. What he has done is nothing to be respectful of, his violation of the Code of Conduct only shows that he will do and say anything to get what he wants regardless of who gets hurt or worse.

So you go ahead and stay out of the mud, as for me I know from personal experience that you have to fight fire with fire.

 

 
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Kristi1696  (1000+ posts)       Tue Aug-19-08 03:27 PM
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18. You want Obama to lose? Start directly attacking McCain's military service.
 And the fact that the OP who is suggesting this only has 200-some-odd posts and registered on the day Hillary conceded doesn't concern you?
Stealth PUMA's baby!  They're EVERYWHERE!!!!

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elocs  (1000+ posts)       Tue Aug-19-08 03:15 PM
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5. In the debates Obama needs to call him on it face to face in front of millions of viewers.
 Obama has the ability to make McCain look like a little toad and expose him for what he really is to millions of Americans who don't know much else about him other than the puffed-up myth of his POW status. I think Obama will come across as appearing extremely presidential and confident, and I believe that somewhere along the line McCain will lose it because Obama should be able to campaign him into the ground.
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Re: GLOVES COME OFF HANOI JOHN
« Reply #1 on: August 20, 2008, 03:44:48 PM »
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LostinVA  (1000+ posts)      Tue Aug-19-08 03:27 PM
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19. People REALLY need to stop with the "Hanoi John" name
 I think the term disrespects all Vietnam vets who suffered -- and that includes quite a few DUers such as Clifforddu.

Going there will do nothing but hurt us. McCain WAS a POW.

Also, I have no idea how much McCain "sang" under torture, and I don't care. He was a POW who was tortured. Many POWs made so-called propaganda tapes, POWs were pitted against one another by divisive tactics such as favoring certain prisoners, etc.

There are plenty of reasons I dislike McCain, but his experiences as a POW aren't one of them.

 
 
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27. it only disrespects one man who more than deserves it
 but if you prefer, you can call him Johnny Songbird

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Re: GLOVES COME OFF HANOI JOHN
« Reply #2 on: August 20, 2008, 03:49:24 PM »
During McCain's first Senate run, the opposition during a debate blasted McCain on having moved to Arizona recently and have only lived there for less than 2 years. Referencing McCain as a 'Carpetbagger'.

He replied that the longest he had lived anywhere was 5 years, and that was in Hanoi.

There was no more talk about McCain's resedence.
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Re: GLOVES COME OFF HANOI JOHN
« Reply #3 on: August 20, 2008, 04:01:52 PM »
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elocs  (1000+ posts)       Tue Aug-19-08 03:15 PM
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5. In the debates Obama needs to call him on it face to face in front of millions of viewers.
 Obama has the ability to make McCain look like a little toad and expose him for what he really is to millions of Americans who don't know much else about him other than the puffed-up myth of his POW status. I think Obama will come across as appearing extremely presidential and confident, and I believe that somewhere along the line McCain will lose it because Obama should be able to campaign him into the ground.


Ohh if only Obama would listen to elocs, what an entertaining debate we would have! :-)
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Re: GLOVES COME OFF HANOI JOHN
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TexasObserver  (1000+ posts)       Tue Aug-19-08 05:31 PM
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39. Hanoi John: The Manchurian Candidate.
 Are the Red Chinese secretly in control of John McCain?

John SIDNEY McCain.


Now...I thought the DUmmies loved the Red Chinese?

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Re: GLOVES COME OFF HANOI JOHN
« Reply #5 on: August 20, 2008, 04:11:30 PM »
Quote from: terry on August 20, 2008, 04:01:52 PM
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elocs  (1000+ posts)       Tue Aug-19-08 03:15 PM
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5. In the debates Obama needs to call him on it face to face in front of millions of viewers.
 Obama has the ability to make McCain look like a little toad and expose him for what he really is to millions of Americans who don't know much else about him other than the puffed-up myth of his POW status. I think Obama will come across as appearing extremely presidential and confident, and I believe that somewhere along the line McCain will lose it because Obama should be able to campaign him into the ground.


Ohh if only Obama would listen to elocs, what an entertaining debate we would have! :-)

When I knew that AlGore would lose in 2000 was when in the debates he started smirking and laughing at GWB's answers. Turns out that America does not like that smug elitism.
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Re: GLOVES COME OFF HANOI JOHN
« Reply #6 on: August 20, 2008, 04:18:48 PM »
elocs is either a mole or crazy as Hell.
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Re: GLOVES COME OFF HANOI JOHN
« Reply #7 on: August 20, 2008, 04:48:48 PM »
Quote from: jukin on August 20, 2008, 04:11:30 PM
Quote from: terry on August 20, 2008, 04:01:52 PM
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elocs  (1000+ posts)       Tue Aug-19-08 03:15 PM
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5. In the debates Obama needs to call him on it face to face in front of millions of viewers.
 Obama has the ability to make McCain look like a little toad and expose him for what he really is to millions of Americans who don't know much else about him other than the puffed-up myth of his POW status. I think Obama will come across as appearing extremely presidential and confident, and I believe that somewhere along the line McCain will lose it because Obama should be able to campaign him into the ground.


Ohh if only Obama would listen to elocs, what an entertaining debate we would have! :-)

When I knew that AlGore would lose in 2000 was when in the debates he started smirking and laughing at GWB's answers. Turns out that America does not like that smug elitism.




     Obama is going to do the same thing. Someone will have the nerve to ask him a difficult question, or will attempt to pin him down, and he'll say or do something that reveals his insecurity and self-doubt.

     Funny how the only place you hear people advocate ridiculing McCain's military experience is DU, Huffington, and Kos. Even Obama's people know that's non-starter.

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Re: GLOVES COME OFF HANOI JOHN
« Reply #8 on: August 20, 2008, 05:07:01 PM »
Take on McCAins service at your own risk . One person tried tha ton Rush's show earlier today and got the smackdown for it.
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Re: GLOVES COME OFF HANOI JOHN
« Reply #9 on: August 20, 2008, 09:35:09 PM »
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In other words, McCain IS questioning Barack's patriotism directly. Which is disgusting.

Bush never did that to Kerry, as mean and bile filled as some of the attacks were.


The subject line is confusing, since "Hanoi John" was the democrat candidate in 2004. Though not qualified, Kerry was at least clearly eligible for the presidency.

Unless I missed something, that eligibility hasn't been established in the case of B. Hussein. It hinges on a copy of a Hawaiian birth certificate, the validity of which has been vouched for by Mary Mapes and some crooks at the DNC. Is it possible to have patriotism but lack citizenship?
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