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Re: Poverty IS NOT an adventure
« Reply #25 on: August 20, 2008, 10:33:51 PM »
$637 a month is less than $4 an hour.   :bs:

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Re: Poverty IS NOT an adventure
« Reply #26 on: August 20, 2008, 10:34:26 PM »
Wow.

If our old home is "the site that shall not be mentioned," are we "the unmentionable site"?

You noticed that too?

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Re: Poverty IS NOT an adventure
« Reply #27 on: August 20, 2008, 10:38:53 PM »
Wow.

If our old home is "the site that shall not be mentioned," are we "the unmentionable site"?

You noticed that too?

We wonders, we wonders...

There's a subtle difference in wording.

"The site that shall not be named" was engraved in granite in the minds of the primitives; they never varied from that (although in this case it's "mentioned," not "named"). 

This used to intrigue me because the primitives usually avoid using the word "shall," for reasons Sigmund Freud well understood.  And so the "shall" always stood out.
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Re: Poverty IS NOT an adventure
« Reply #28 on: August 20, 2008, 10:51:54 PM »
Everything is an adventure, if you put your mind in the right place to feel it.  Adventures have bad parts too, or they wouldn't be adventures.  Get off your ass and live life, Nadine!

That, sir, is eminently admirable of you.

Until I read that, I thought I was probably the only person who looked at it this way.
I think quite a few things are an adventure and sometimes when I am having a bad adventure I compare it to the Goonies (as in "Hey, I'm having an adventure, just like the Goonies!") but I don't see poverty as an adventure so much as it is a state of mind.

Impoverished people work just as hard as being poor as rich people work at being rich and middle class people work at being in between the two.  So I think the poor deserve a lot of credit for what they do. When one is good at something, one should take pride in it and poor people are experts at being poor and thinking the kinds of thoughts that keep them poor.  Just like rich people think the kind of thoughts that make them rich.  The act, after all, is the blossom of thought.
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Re: Poverty IS NOT an adventure
« Reply #29 on: August 20, 2008, 10:57:10 PM »
Everything is an adventure, if you put your mind in the right place to feel it.  Adventures have bad parts too, or they wouldn't be adventures.  Get off your ass and live life, Nadine!

That, sir, is eminently admirable of you.

Until I read that, I thought I was probably the only person who looked at it this way.
I think quite a few things are an adventure and sometimes when I am having a bad adventure I compare it to the Goonies (as in "Hey, I'm having an adventure, just like the Goonies!") but I don't see poverty as an adventure so much as it is a state of mind.

Impoverished people work just as hard as being poor as rich people work at being rich and middle class people work at being in between the two.  So I think the poor deserve a lot of credit for what they do. When one is good at something, one should take pride in it and poor people are experts at being poor and thinking the kinds of thoughts that keep them poor.  Just like rich people think the kind of thoughts that make them rich.  The act, after all, is the blossom of thought.

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Re: Poverty IS NOT an adventure
« Reply #30 on: August 20, 2008, 10:58:03 PM »
Everything is an adventure, if you put your mind in the right place to feel it.  Adventures have bad parts too, or they wouldn't be adventures.  Get off your ass and live life, Nadine!

That, sir, is eminently admirable of you.

Until I read that, I thought I was probably the only person who looked at it this way.
I think quite a few things are an adventure and sometimes when I am having a bad adventure I compare it to the Goonies (as in "Hey, I'm having an adventure, just like the Goonies!") but I don't see poverty as an adventure so much as it is a state of mind.

Impoverished people work just as hard as being poor as rich people work at being rich and middle class people work at being in between the two.  So I think the poor deserve a lot of credit for what they do. When one is good at something, one should take pride in it and poor people are experts at being poor and thinking the kinds of thoughts that keep them poor.  Just like rich people think the kind of thoughts that make them rich.  The act, after all, is the blossom of thought.

W T F ???????????????
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« Reply #31 on: August 20, 2008, 11:04:31 PM »
Everything is an adventure, if you put your mind in the right place to feel it.  Adventures have bad parts too, or they wouldn't be adventures.  Get off your ass and live life, Nadine!

That, sir, is eminently admirable of you.

Until I read that, I thought I was probably the only person who looked at it this way.
I think quite a few things are an adventure and sometimes when I am having a bad adventure I compare it to the Goonies (as in "Hey, I'm having an adventure, just like the Goonies!") but I don't see poverty as an adventure so much as it is a state of mind.

Impoverished people work just as hard as being poor as rich people work at being rich and middle class people work at being in between the two.  So I think the poor deserve a lot of credit for what they do. When one is good at something, one should take pride in it and poor people are experts at being poor and thinking the kinds of thoughts that keep them poor.  Just like rich people think the kind of thoughts that make them rich.  The act, after all, is the blossom of thought.



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Re: Poverty IS NOT an adventure
« Reply #32 on: August 20, 2008, 11:08:12 PM »
$637 a month is less than $4 an hour.   :bs:

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Tha's probably all his parents will pay him for getting off his ass and taking out the trash once a week mixed with the occaisional for the love of God take a bath bribe.

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86. Amen... thanks for this post.
 Edited on Wed Aug-20-08 06:36 PM by Naturyl
If these upper-class "sympathizers" want a little bit tougher challenge, they can take mine - try a LIFETIME of it. I wonder how they would have done on less than $8k a year for the last 8 years and not much more before that. Can we say "community mental health center?" 

I wonder if this one is the SubwayKitty's roommate when she occasionally has to go on "vacation".  Amazing how many geniuses on DU can't seem to make more per hour than the 14 year-old that mows my lawn.



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Re: Poverty IS NOT an adventure
« Reply #33 on: August 21, 2008, 05:23:09 PM »
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164. Yours was a deeply paternalistic post.
 I make 637.00 a month and have an IQ high enough that specifying it would make me look like a jackass. (I think people can deduce that you are a jackass without you mentioning your staggeringly high IQ)Would you like to do some charity work on my behalf and come teach me some "life skills?" You got any Tony Robbins tapes? I just love him, and that nice smiling Money lady that's always on the TV, too. Tell me about the rabbits, George. Maybe later we can discuss Quine's influence on the analytic/synthetic distinction in 20th century philosophy. After you teach me how to count money, that is.

And don't think I'm some anomaly, either. Yours was just a kindler, gentler version of the "stupidity and ignorance cause poverty" argument, and I wish people who feel that way could have a conversation with some of the poor people I know...

Mr Smith lived on about $600 a month for a couple years between his divorce and our marriage...and had to pay 1/2 of uncovered medical, 1/2 of extra-curricular activities, 100% of transportation costs for his children, and his own living expenses.  He managed.

I lived on about that amount for years, and I had 3...and then 4...kids.  We had a house, a car, food, clothing, no health insurance so I just paid outright for medical costs. 

Of course, I have a reasonably high IQ, so I went back to college for something that would earn decent money...meaning very little study of "Quine's influence on the analytic/synthetic distinction in 20th century philosophy" and quite a bit of practical learning...and now my income is quite a bit higher. 

Naturyl, since it seems you may lurk here, may I point out the fact that you are a LOSER.  If you want to keep getting what you're getting, keep doing what you're doing.  If you want something different...change.  :tongue:
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Re: Poverty IS NOT an adventure
« Reply #34 on: August 21, 2008, 06:51:42 PM »
Everything is an adventure, if you put your mind in the right place to feel it.  Adventures have bad parts too, or they wouldn't be adventures.  Get off your ass and live life, Nadine!

That, sir, is eminently admirable of you.

Until I read that, I thought I was probably the only person who looked at it this way.
I think quite a few things are an adventure and sometimes when I am having a bad adventure I compare it to the Goonies (as in "Hey, I'm having an adventure, just like the Goonies!") but I don't see poverty as an adventure so much as it is a state of mind.

Impoverished people work just as hard as being poor as rich people work at being rich and middle class people work at being in between the two.  So I think the poor deserve a lot of credit for what they do. When one is good at something, one should take pride in it and poor people are experts at being poor and thinking the kinds of thoughts that keep them poor.  Just like rich people think the kind of thoughts that make them rich.  The act, after all, is the blossom of thought.

W T F ???????????????
The Goonies was this sort of really bad movies from Stephen Spielberg in the 1980's about a group of kids in Seattle having their last great adventure before the junkies took over the city.  It's a little like Caligula meets Barjo.  Only really, really bad.  Cindy Lauper's She Bop was a featured song which really does show the depths to which Spielberg sunk only a few years after his great triumph with E.T.

The phrase "We're having an adventure, just like the Goonies!" has become the vernacular of those who recognize they are in a sort of unpleasant situation with at least one other and notice tempers are either flaring or on the verge of flaring and thus the superior person chooses to diffuse the situation with humor and compassion by voicing "Hey!  We're having an adventure just like the Goonies!"
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Re: Poverty IS NOT an adventure
« Reply #35 on: August 21, 2008, 06:55:29 PM »
What would happen if we went through some REAL hard times in this country? Like Great-Depression/Dustbowl bad?

These DUmmies have no idea.
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Re: Poverty IS NOT an adventure
« Reply #36 on: August 21, 2008, 07:00:50 PM »
What would happen if we went through some REAL hard times in this country? Like Great-Depression/Dustbowl bad?

These DUmmies have no idea.
That is just the point, even during the Great Depression and the Dust Bowl, there were happy people, especially Packer fans because we really kicked ass in the first two Dust Bowls, but I digress.

As the hated (by some here) tyrant, Abraham Lincoln once said: Most folks are about as happy as they make up their minds to be.

And then he made the South cry.

DUmmies are poor and miserable because that is what they have made up their minds to be.
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Re: Poverty IS NOT an adventure
« Reply #37 on: August 21, 2008, 07:38:54 PM »
Everything is an adventure, if you put your mind in the right place to feel it.  Adventures have bad parts too, or they wouldn't be adventures.  Get off your ass and live life, Nadine!

That, sir, is eminently admirable of you.

Until I read that, I thought I was probably the only person who looked at it this way.
I think quite a few things are an adventure and sometimes when I am having a bad adventure I compare it to the Goonies (as in "Hey, I'm having an adventure, just like the Goonies!") but I don't see poverty as an adventure so much as it is a state of mind.

Impoverished people work just as hard as being poor as rich people work at being rich and middle class people work at being in between the two.  So I think the poor deserve a lot of credit for what they do. When one is good at something, one should take pride in it and poor people are experts at being poor and thinking the kinds of thoughts that keep them poor.  Just like rich people think the kind of thoughts that make them rich.  The act, after all, is the blossom of thought.

W T F ???????????????
The Goonies was this sort of really bad movies from Stephen Spielberg in the 1980's about a group of kids in Seattle having their last great adventure before the junkies took over the city.  It's a little like Caligula meets Barjo.  Only really, really bad.  Cindy Lauper's She Bop was a featured song which really does show the depths to which Spielberg sunk only a few years after his great triumph with E.T.

The phrase "We're having an adventure, just like the Goonies!" has become the vernacular of those who recognize they are in a sort of unpleasant situation with at least one other and notice tempers are either flaring or on the verge of flaring and thus the superior person chooses to diffuse the situation with humor and compassion by voicing "Hey!  We're having an adventure just like the Goonies!"
It was the second pph I as referencing.
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Re: Poverty IS NOT an adventure
« Reply #38 on: August 21, 2008, 07:50:25 PM »
Everything is an adventure, if you put your mind in the right place to feel it.  Adventures have bad parts too, or they wouldn't be adventures.  Get off your ass and live life, Nadine!

That, sir, is eminently admirable of you.

Until I read that, I thought I was probably the only person who looked at it this way.
I think quite a few things are an adventure and sometimes when I am having a bad adventure I compare it to the Goonies (as in "Hey, I'm having an adventure, just like the Goonies!") but I don't see poverty as an adventure so much as it is a state of mind.

Impoverished people work just as hard as being poor as rich people work at being rich and middle class people work at being in between the two.  So I think the poor deserve a lot of credit for what they do. When one is good at something, one should take pride in it and poor people are experts at being poor and thinking the kinds of thoughts that keep them poor.  Just like rich people think the kind of thoughts that make them rich.  The act, after all, is the blossom of thought.

W T F ???????????????
The Goonies was this sort of really bad movies from Stephen Spielberg in the 1980's about a group of kids in Seattle having their last great adventure before the junkies took over the city.  It's a little like Caligula meets Barjo.  Only really, really bad.  Cindy Lauper's She Bop was a featured song which really does show the depths to which Spielberg sunk only a few years after his great triumph with E.T.

The phrase "We're having an adventure, just like the Goonies!" has become the vernacular of those who recognize they are in a sort of unpleasant situation with at least one other and notice tempers are either flaring or on the verge of flaring and thus the superior person chooses to diffuse the situation with humor and compassion by voicing "Hey!  We're having an adventure just like the Goonies!"
It was the second pph I as referencing.

Oh, hmmm, that part seems pretty clear to me.

The Goonies, I think, is more obscure and therefore more in need of explaining.

Funny how that works.
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Re: Poverty IS NOT an adventure
« Reply #39 on: August 21, 2008, 07:53:30 PM »
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Impoverished people work just as hard as being poor as rich people work at being rich and middle class people work at being in between the two.  So I think the poor deserve a lot of credit for what they do. When one is good at something, one should take pride in it and poor people are experts at being poor and thinking the kinds of thoughts that keep them poor.  Just like rich people think the kind of thoughts that make them rich.  The act, after all, is the blossom of thought.

You don't find that string of words bizarre? It sounds like a Mentat chant.
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« Reply #40 on: August 21, 2008, 09:28:04 PM »
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Impoverished people work just as hard as being poor as rich people work at being rich and middle class people work at being in between the two.  So I think the poor deserve a lot of credit for what they do. When one is good at something, one should take pride in it and poor people are experts at being poor and thinking the kinds of thoughts that keep them poor.  Just like rich people think the kind of thoughts that make them rich.  The act, after all, is the blossom of thought.

You don't find that string of words bizarre? It sounds like a Mentat chant.

LOL, well, first of all, the emphasis on the will as a creative force is a common mistake but here it is amplified by giving it credit for setting the mind in motion which is simply backward to the actual function of the will, but I digress.

Am I to take it you don't think poor people deserve the credit for the fruit of their mental labor, e.g. poverty?  I don't get where what I wrote is overly complicated.  Maybe you're an intellectual?  I understand that intellectuals just expect things to be complicated and get confused when they turn out to be quite simple.  To be clear, I am only suggesting you may be an intellectual, I don't know, I'm just guessing based on the intellectual's propensity for cocking up very simple things.

Or perhaps you view action as superior to thought?  I do know most people act first and then think later and usually the thinking is in the form of "why did this happen to me?"  But much like the Red Queen cried before she pricked herself, it is much better to focus on what one wants first, which is to say, think about it, and then the actions needed to manifest that thought present themselves.  The Red Queen cries, and then the action that led to the tears suggests itself in the form of a pin prick.

Anyway, wealth and poverty don't just happen.  Many people claim to want money but then rail against and hate the rich, therefore they receive poverty.  It is not possible to mount two horses.  Well, and remain in one piece, at any rate.  The rich are rich because they predominantly think about being rich and the poor are poor because they predominantly think about being poor.  Doctors are doctors because they predominantly think about treating people in a medical fashion, or perhaps just telling nurses what to do but either way.  Fashion designers are fashion designers because they predominantly think about fashion.  And then they all take the actions suggested by their thinking.  But the thinking is always first.

Intellectuals are intellectuals because they predominantly think about making very simple things seem vastly complicated.  And then they do it.
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Re: Poverty IS NOT an adventure
« Reply #41 on: August 21, 2008, 10:32:55 PM »
LOL, well, first of all, the emphasis on the will as a creative force is a common mistake but here it is amplified by giving it credit for setting the mind in motion which is simply backward to the actual function of the will, but I digress.

Am I to take it you don't think poor people deserve the credit for the fruit of their mental labor, e.g. poverty?  I don't get where what I wrote is overly complicated.  Maybe you're an intellectual?  I understand that intellectuals just expect things to be complicated and get confused when they turn out to be quite simple.  To be clear, I am only suggesting you may be an intellectual, I don't know, I'm just guessing based on the intellectual's propensity for cocking up very simple things.
Poor people are almost always poor as a result of doing to little thinking, especially in terms of linking consequences to actions.  It is intellectual laziness and "living in the moment" (which is the laziest thing one can do) that causes most poverty (just to be clear: I am excluding unforseen accidents and incidents -- I am talking about just stupid decisions)


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Or perhaps you view action as superior to thought? 
More Mentat?  Doing is always superior to thinking.  But doing should be BASED on thinking first.

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I do know most people act first and then think later and usually the thinking is in the form of "why did this happen to me?"  But much like the Red Queen cried before she pricked herself, it is much better to focus on what one wants first, which is to say, think about it, and then the actions needed to manifest that thought present themselves.  The Red Queen cries, and then the action that led to the tears suggests itself in the form of a pin prick.

Such thoughts do not just manifest themselves. They are the result of hard and frequently uncomfortable thinking about how actions create consequences.

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Anyway, wealth and poverty don't just happen. Many people claim to want money but then rail against and hate the rich, therefore they receive poverty.  It is not possible to mount two horses.  Well, and remain in one piece, at any rate. 
Sometimes they do.  People are born into poverty all the time.  Likewise people are born into wealth. Discarding choosing parents properly, the hate of the rich is directly associated with the modern Socialists (rich themselves and thus able to entertain and encourage self-hate).   Non-inherited poverty is a direct result of bad decisions.  And in the USA you can make decisions -- AND ACT UPON THEM -- to leave poverty.  How do I know? I DID IT.

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The rich are rich because they predominantly think about being rich and the poor are poor because they predominantly think about being poor.  Doctors are doctors because they predominantly think about treating people in a medical fashion, or perhaps just telling nurses what to do but either way.  Fashion designers are fashion designers because they predominantly think about fashion.  And then they all take the actions suggested by their thinking.  But the thinking is always first.

That is a non sequitur.  The rich are rich because they take actions to ensure and increase their wealth (what is your definition of "rich" by?).  They evaluate risks and  take them.  Sometimes they fail and become "poor."  But our system rewards risks more often than not.  Poor people don't think about risk, they usually just think about creature comforts. 

The fact that people think about their vocations or avocations doesn't factor into the rich/poor thing, except to the degree that those (a)vocations provide wealth,

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Intellectuals are intellectuals because they predominantly think about making very simple things seem vastly complicated.  And then they do it.

Intellectuals value ideas over people.  They think rather than do.  They are generally useless.
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Re: Poverty IS NOT an adventure
« Reply #42 on: August 21, 2008, 11:00:56 PM »
LOL, well, first of all, the emphasis on the will as a creative force is a common mistake but here it is amplified by giving it credit for setting the mind in motion which is simply backward to the actual function of the will, but I digress.

Am I to take it you don't think poor people deserve the credit for the fruit of their mental labor, e.g. poverty?  I don't get where what I wrote is overly complicated.  Maybe you're an intellectual?  I understand that intellectuals just expect things to be complicated and get confused when they turn out to be quite simple.  To be clear, I am only suggesting you may be an intellectual, I don't know, I'm just guessing based on the intellectual's propensity for cocking up very simple things.
Poor people are almost always poor as a result of doing to little thinking, especially in terms of linking consequences to actions.  It is intellectual laziness and "living in the moment" (which is the laziest thing one can do) that causes most poverty (just to be clear: I am excluding unforseen accidents and incidents -- I am talking about just stupid decisions)


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Or perhaps you view action as superior to thought? 
More Mentat?  Doing is always superior to thinking.  But doing should be BASED on thinking first.

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I do know most people act first and then think later and usually the thinking is in the form of "why did this happen to me?"  But much like the Red Queen cried before she pricked herself, it is much better to focus on what one wants first, which is to say, think about it, and then the actions needed to manifest that thought present themselves.  The Red Queen cries, and then the action that led to the tears suggests itself in the form of a pin prick.

Such thoughts do not just manifest themselves. They are the result of hard and frequently uncomfortable thinking about how actions create consequences.

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Anyway, wealth and poverty don't just happen. Many people claim to want money but then rail against and hate the rich, therefore they receive poverty.  It is not possible to mount two horses.  Well, and remain in one piece, at any rate. 
Sometimes they do.  People are born into poverty all the time.  Likewise people are born into wealth. Discarding choosing parents properly, the hate of the rich is directly associated with the modern Socialists (rich themselves and thus able to entertain and encourage self-hate).   Non-inherited poverty is a direct result of bad decisions.  And in the USA you can make decisions -- AND ACT UPON THEM -- to leave poverty.  How do I know? I DID IT.

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The rich are rich because they predominantly think about being rich and the poor are poor because they predominantly think about being poor.  Doctors are doctors because they predominantly think about treating people in a medical fashion, or perhaps just telling nurses what to do but either way.  Fashion designers are fashion designers because they predominantly think about fashion.  And then they all take the actions suggested by their thinking.  But the thinking is always first.

That is a non sequitur.  The rich are rich because they take actions to ensure and increase their wealth (what is your definition of "rich" by?).  They evaluate risks and  take them.  Sometimes they fail and become "poor."  But our system rewards risks more often than not.  Poor people don't think about risk, they usually just think about creature comforts. 

The fact that people think about their vocations or avocations doesn't factor into the rich/poor thing, except to the degree that those (a)vocations provide wealth,

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Intellectuals are intellectuals because they predominantly think about making very simple things seem vastly complicated.  And then they do it.

Intellectuals value ideas over people.  They think rather than do.  They are generally useless.

I would say well thought out action is superior to thought alone.  Doing is actually a form of thought so yes, it has more power than just thinking a thought but simply acting for the sake of acting is the same as impotent power.  Often times we end up taking action we would not have needed to take if we took the time to think through what we were trying to accomplish.  What we actually wanted.

People who start out poor and choose to become rich first have to think that it might be possible.

People who are poor their whole life think they can't be rich or it never occurs to them to think about how they might become rich.  They only reinforce their own poverty.

The world is actually a projection of what we think.  This is why two people can go to the same event and one will have a fun experience and the other will find it as depressing as anything else in their life.

I am not as overly analytical as you are, obviously, but I was pretty clear that the action needs to be taken.  First think about what you want and then act upon the inspiration that comes to you.

A fashion designer can't just visualize her clothing being displayed on the runway and expect that to happen, she has to design the fashions.  But she has to be able to see the fashions before she can design them.  And thus, the action is the flower of the thought.

A doctor can't just prescribe a drug if he hasn't thought of a diagnoses.  Well, I guess in the modern HMO system he doesn't really need to because the CEO tells him everything he can do and not do, but in more classical times this was the case.

When it is done in a backward manner of acting first, people tend to be miserable and feel powerless because they think the world is something that is happening to them instead of something they are actively creating through their thought (or lack of it) and action (or lack of it).  It may be mentat to you but there is no getting around it.  The world does not create itself.
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Re: Poverty IS NOT an adventure
« Reply #43 on: August 22, 2008, 12:06:39 AM »
This is the most disjointed, disconnected, confusing post I've ever staggered through. There's some DUmmy whose kids only have ramen to eat, but who nevertheless sends money to Skinner. Then there's another DUmmy who claims an astronomical IQ, but who somehow has never been within hailing distance of minimum wage. Is that you, Rainman? Then there is the DUmmy who is apparently sucking up swill from dumpsters around town, but has a computer with internet access. And of course, as in any other thread mentioning poverty, the DUmp's favorite wino bobbolink drops by to spread some sunshine.

The whole thing gave me a headache, and I still have no idea what point it was intended to make. I suppose it's all just a reflection of this horrible economy. During the booming worldwide prosperity of the nineties, generated singlehandedly by President Clinton, all these starving dumpster divers grew tired of alternating between lobster and filet mignon every evening. Now it's a neverending rotation of rice, ramen, and refuse, until the Obamassiah takes office and begins to distribute government manna.

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Re: Poverty IS NOT an adventure
« Reply #44 on: August 22, 2008, 12:48:58 AM »
OMG LU, you can't say that out loud!  If the homeless who have been eating half eaten burritos straight from the can find out your SIL has been bringing dented cans to the food pantry .... there will be suits.  SUITS I tell you!!  Brought on by DUmmies on BEHALF of the homeless mind you but suits no less.

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They sell canned burritos? :hyper:

MexiCAN burritos  :lmao:
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Re: Poverty IS NOT an adventure
« Reply #45 on: August 22, 2008, 03:20:48 AM »

They sell canned burritos? :hyper:
They do sell canned tamales and they aren't half bad.
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