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Hissyspit  (1000+ posts)       Tue Aug-19-08 09:44 PM
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Vietnam Veterans Against McCain: McCain Lost Five U.S. Navy Aircraft 
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McCain lost five U.S. Navy aircraft.

Navy pilot John Sidney McCain III should have never been allowed to graduate from the U.S. Navy flight school. He was a below average student and a lousy pilot. Had his father and grandfather not been famous four star U.S. Navy admirals, McCain III would have never been allowed in the cockpit of a military aircraft.

His father John S. "Junior" McCain was commander of U.S. forces in Europe later becoming commander of American forces in Vietnam while McCain III was being held prisoner of war. McCain III's grandfather John S. McCain, Sr. commanded naval aviation at the Battle of Okinawa in 1945.

During his relative short stunt on flight status, McCain III lost five U.S. Navy aircraft, four in accidents and one in combat.

Robert Timberg, author of The Nightingale's Song, a book about Annapolis graduates and their tours in Vietnam, wrote that McCain "learned to fly at Pensacola, though his performance was below par, at best good enough to get by. He liked flying, but didn't love it."

McCain III lost jet number one in 1958 when he plunged into Corpus Christi Bay while practicing landings. He was knocked unconscious by the impact coming to as the plane settled to the bottom.

McCain's second crash occurred while he was deployed in the Mediterranean. "Flying too low over the Iberian Peninsula," Timberg wrote, "he took out some power lines which led to a spate of newspaper stories in which he was predictably identified as the son of an admiral."

McCain's third crash three occurred when he was returning from flying a Navy trainer solo to Philadelphia for an Army-Navy football game.

Timberg reported that McCain radioed, "I've got a flameout" and went through standard relight procedures three times before ejecting at one thousand feet. McCain landed on a deserted beach moments before the plane slammed into a clump of trees.

McCain's fourth aircraft loss occurred July 29, 1967, soon after he was assigned to the USS Forrestal as an A-4 Skyhawk pilot. While seated in the cockpit of his aircraft waiting his turn for takeoff, an accidently fired rocket slammed into McCain's plane. He escaped from the burning aircraft, but the explosions that followed killed 134 sailors, destroyed at least 20 aircraft, and threatened to sink the ship.

McCain's fifth loss happened during his 23rd mission over North Vietnam on Oct. 26, 1967, when McCain's A-4 Skyhawk was shot down by a surface-to-air missile. McCain ejected from the plane breaking both arms and a leg in the process and subsequently parachuted into Truc Bach Lake near Hanoi.

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msongs  (1000+ posts)      Tue Aug-19-08 09:48 PM
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1. he's no war hero: failed his mission, lost his plane, allowed himself to be captured. all off limits
 in this campaing because mccain is gonna flog obama with it


Msongs

 

Elwood P Dowd  (1000+ posts)      Tue Aug-19-08 10:08 PM
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6. Bush never lost a plane,
 but he lost the Air Force starting in 1972. His daddy lost one, along with the crew that died because of his actions. 

TexasProgresive (1000+ posts)       Tue Aug-19-08 10:09 PM
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7. the USS Forrestal as an A-4 Skyhawk pilot
 Some think that McCain was responsible for the Forrestal fire and deaths. It is rumored that he did a "wet start" that caused a burst of flame from his jet spooking the guy behind him who launched the rocket.

McCain saved himself from injury by abandoning his plane over the front. He was the only uninjured service man to be evacuated from the Forrestal with the injured- probably to save his miserable life from retribution.

thunder rising  (1000+ posts)       Tue Aug-19-08 10:29 PM
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11. Well thank God he got captured or we would have run out of planes.
 He is not a very clever individual. I'm a Vietnam era vet, and I could not possibly understand how other vets can even respect him. There has been so much go so wrong around him, it begins to look like HE's the problem. So far he's been good at deflecting the blame.

McCain lost 5 planes

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msongs  (1000+ posts)      Tue Aug-19-08 09:48 PM
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1. he's no war hero: failed his mission, lost his plane, allowed himself to be captured. all off limits
 in this campaing because mccain is gonna flog obama with it

Let me see if I get this straight...

...this is an absolutely devastating charge against McCain but Obama can't use it because if he did McCain would slaughter him in the polls for making the charge?

[ReaganForRushmore]

I truly wonder what pathetic lives these DUmmies have to continue to denigrate those individuals who choose to serve in the military. IMO they are very shallow and very insecure.

[DumbAss Tanker]

I love it when they indulge in the kind of off-the-chart stupidity, it's the sort of thing that is guaranteed to alienate all but the most dyed-in-the-wool DU fanatic.

 

[asdf2231]

sourmilk (448 posts)      Wed Aug-20-08 10:16 AM
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21. Piss-poor student, piss-poor pilot, piss-poor senator, piss poor candidate.
 As those in the military are wont to say, "He couldn't pour McPiss from a boot."

 
He's an expert 'cause he watched Redacted.

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Hissyspit  (1000+ posts)       Tue Aug-19-08 09:44 PM
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Robert Timberg, author of The Nightingale's Song, a book about Annapolis graduates and their tours in Vietnam, wrote that McCain "learned to fly at Pensacola, though his performance was below par, at best good enough to get by. He liked flying, but didn't love it." Somebody has to be at the bottom of the class.....ain't the DUmp the bottom of the barrel?

McCain III lost jet number one in 1958 when he plunged into Corpus Christi Bay while practicing landings. He was knocked unconscious by the impact coming to as the plane settled to the bottom. Lucky S.O.B., ain't he.

McCain's second crash occurred while he was deployed in the Mediterranean. "Flying too low over the Iberian Peninsula," Timberg wrote, "he took out some power lines which led to a spate of newspaper stories in which he was predictably identified as the son of an admiral." Powerlines at 600mph look like......well...you can't see'em.

McCain's third crash three occurred when he was returning from flying a Navy trainer solo to Philadelphia for an Army-Navy football game

Timberg reported that McCain radioed, "I've got a flameout" and went through standard relight procedures three times before ejecting at one thousand feet. McCain landed on a deserted beach moments before the plane slammed into a clump of trees. I guess he should have been a dope smoker and carried some matches or a lighter.

McCain's fourth aircraft loss occurred July 29, 1967, soon after he was assigned to the USS Forrestal as an A-4 Skyhawk pilot. While seated in the cockpit of his aircraft waiting his turn for takeoff, an accidently fired rocket slammed into McCain's plane. He escaped from the burning aircraft, but the explosions that followed killed 134 sailors, destroyed at least 20 aircraft, and threatened to sink the ship. Wet start? I guess I'd piss in my pants to if my buddy shot me down while I was sitting on the flightdeck.

McCain's fifth loss happened during his 23rd mission over North Vietnam on Oct. 26, 1967, when McCain's A-4 Skyhawk was shot down by a surface-to-air missile. McCain ejected from the plane breaking both arms and a leg in the process and subsequently parachuted into Truc Bach Lake near Hanoi. ******* DUmmies, what do you idiots think war is all about.

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msongs  (1000+ posts)      Tue Aug-19-08 09:48 PM
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1. he's no war hero: failed his mission, lost his plane, allowed himself to be captured. all off limits
 in this campaing because mccain is gonna flog obama with it Two broken arms and a broken leg in water. Who the hell do you think he is DUmmie, Chuck Norris....or maybe TIT?

thunder rising  (1000+ posts)       Tue Aug-19-08 10:29 PM
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11. Well thank God he got captured or we would have run out of planes.
 He is not a very clever individual. I'm a Vietnam era vet, and I could not possibly understand how other vets can even respect him. That means he ain't never seen war up close and personal. ....and maybe you could respect him if you had been shot down, broke up and in prison for several years......Some mules you just have to hit between the eyes to get their attention

McCain lost 5 planes

Well, you can't go wrong if you don't ever do anything.

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TexasProgresive (1000+ posts)       Tue Aug-19-08 10:09 PM
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7. the USS Forrestal as an A-4 Skyhawk pilot
 Some think that McCain was responsible for the Forrestal fire and deaths. It is rumored that he did a "wet start" that caused a burst of flame from his jet spooking the guy behind him who launched the rocket.

McCain saved himself from injury by abandoning his plane over the front. He was the only uninjured service man to be evacuated from the Forrestal with the injured- probably to save his miserable life from retribution.

Hey, CrapWrapper primitive! How 'bout finding something REAL to hang your moonbat conspiracy theories from before talking out your ass, okay dipshit?

Everything that went on that day was caught on the flight deck cameras.  The Navy Review Board had all of that film, and the testimonies of the survivors, including that of (then) Lieutenant Commander McCain.  Finally, my father was on board that carrier - his first posting out of A-school - as an Aviation Ordnanceman when the fire started.  Insinuating that he and his 4,900 surviving shipmates would engage in a coverup in order to protect the naval and future political career of ONE Lieutenant Commander is insulting to my father's Memory, and by extension to ME.  Are you really sure you want to insult ME like that, you limp-dick mouth breather?

As I recall, McCain's aircraft was chained to the deck at the flight deck edge when the 5" rocket was ignited/launched on the deck by a static discharge.  Not fired 'inadvertently' by a Neanderthal in a fighter cockpit with his hands where they shouldn't have been.  Static discharge.  Just like the static discharge that did the same thing to another 5" rocket in 1969 aboard USS Enterprise - with McCain "safely" in North Vietnamese hands at the time (just in case you were looking to pin this one on John McCain as well).  With his aircraft chained down, it was extraordinarily unlikely that LCDR McCain was starting his engine at the time - "wet start", dry start or dry hump.

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TexasProgresive (1000+ posts)       Tue Aug-19-08 10:09 PM
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7. the USS Forrestal as an A-4 Skyhawk pilot
 Some think that McCain was responsible for the Forrestal fire and deaths. It is rumored that he did a "wet start" that caused a burst of flame from his jet spooking the guy behind him who launched the rocket.

McCain saved himself from injury by abandoning his plane over the front. He was the only uninjured service man to be evacuated from the Forrestal with the injured- probably to save his miserable life from retribution.

Hey, CrapWrapper primitive! How 'bout finding something REAL to hang your moonbat conspiracy theories from before talking out your ass, okay dipshit?

Everything that went on that day was caught on the flight deck cameras.  The Navy Review Board had all of that film, and the testimonies of the survivors, including that of (then) Lieutenant Commander McCain.  Finally, my father was on board that carrier - his first posting out of A-school - as an Aviation Ordnanceman when the fire started.  Insinuating that he and his 4,900 surviving shipmates would engage in a coverup in order to protect the naval and future political career of ONE Lieutenant Commander is insulting to my father's Memory, and by extension to ME.  Are you really sure you want to insult ME like that, you limp-dick mouth breather?

As I recall, McCain's aircraft was chained to the deck at the flight deck edge when the 5" rocket was ignited/launched on the deck by a static discharge.  Not fired 'inadvertently' by a Neanderthal in a fighter cockpit with his hands where they shouldn't have been.  Static discharge.  Just like the static discharge that did the same thing to another 5" rocket in 1969 aboard USS Enterprise - with McCain "safely" in North Vietnamese hands at the time (just in case you were looking to pin this one on John McCain as well).  With his aircraft chained down, it was extraordinarily unlikely that LCDR McCain was starting his engine at the time - "wet start", dry start or dry hump.

and above all else............the damn rocket came from the otherside of the flight deck

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thunder rising  (1000+ posts)       Tue Aug-19-08 10:29 PM
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11. Well thank God he got captured or we would have run out of planes.
 He is not a very clever individual. I'm a Vietnam era vet, and I could not possibly understand how other vets can even respect him. There has been so much go so wrong around him, it begins to look like HE's the problem. So far he's been good at deflecting the blame.

McCain lost 5 planes

You know the whole thread makes me sick, but this is particularly vile. They go on and on and on about Guantanamo and torture and then revel in the fact that it happened to someone else just because of a difference in political philosophies. I hope someone screen caps this. Rush would have a field day with this thread.

Cindie

[comradebillyboy]

  with friend like the Dummies and Kossacks, barky doesn't need enemies. Barky's friends are working overtime to alienate as many people a possible. I can't stand W and I really wanted to vote for a democrat in November, but I just can't bring myself to vote for obama. There are a lot of things about McCain I don't like, but his behavior as a POW was exemplary and heroic. It looks like I am just going to have to vote for the old fart, because the leadership of my soon to be ex-party are a bunch of loooooooosers obama pelosi dean brazille and as a professional wrestler once said "the list goes on and on".

I feel like I did in 72 when I was in the Air Force; I didn't like Nixon, but I could not bring myself to vote for McGovern and McGovern is 10 time the man barky is. In retrospect Tricky Dicky looks better and better all the time.

[Thor]

I think that I'm considered a Viet Nam era vet, too. However, I joined after Viet Nam and never even saw the country. I also worked Naval Aviation. I know quite a bit about Naval Aviators, aircraft, and procedures. I suppose that being a NATOPS (Naval Aviation Training and Operating Procedures Standardization) qualified groundpounder kind of helps. The only incident  I would even remotely question would be the power line incident. I've read to post incident synopses of numerous crashes, many of them were directly attributable to pilot error. In flight malfunctions can be a problem for even the most experienced pilot. These idiots know nothing of which they speak.