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jackpiners disappointed, discouraged, by primary results
« on: May 08, 2018, 10:27:00 PM »
https://jackpineradicals.com/boards/topic/today-primary-results-in-indiana-north-carolina-ohio-and-west-virginia/

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cascadiance (3423 posts)    May 8, 2018 at 5:11 pm

Today primary results in Indiana, North Carolina, Ohio, and West Virginia…

Progressive candidates not doing well just yet there, and Sue Spicer and Dan Canon have been projected to lose now.  Liz Watson I had earlier been thinking of adding along with Canon, and she’s projected to win now.  William Tanoos is unopposed and therefore winning.

Kyle Horton is leading his district in North Carolina. David Wilson Brown is unopposed. Phillip Price is leading.

In Ohio, Janet Garrett looks like she’s going to win.  Marcy Kaptur is projected to win.

In West Virginia, Joe Manchin has 2/3rd’s of the vote over Paula Jean Swearengin so far…. :( .

Indiana: https://www.politico.com/election-results/2018/indiana/

1st district – Larry Chubb projected to lose.
4th district – Veronikka Ziol projected to lose.
5th district – Dion Douglas projected to lose.
6th district – Lane Siekman projected to lose.
7th district – Sue Spicer projected to lose.
8th district – William Tanoos unopposed winner.
9th district – Dan Canon projected to lose.

North Carolina: https://www.politico.com/election-results/2018/north-carolina/

4th district – Richard Watkins projected to lose.
6th district – Gerald Wong projected to lose.
7th district – Kyle Horton projected to win.
9th district – Christian Cano projected to lose.
10th district – David Wilson Brown unopposed winner.
11th district – Phillip Price projected to win.
13th district – Adam Coker projected to lose.

Ohio: https://www.politico.com/election-results/2018/ohio/

Governor – Dennis Kucinich projected to lose.
1st district – Samuel Ronan projected to lose.  (Should have run as a Dem or indy Sam!)
2nd district – Janet Everhard projected to lose.
4th district – Janet Garrett projected to win.
6th district – Werner Lange projected to lose.
9th district – Marcy Kaptur projected to win.
10th district – Michael Milisits projected to lose.

West Virginia: https://www.politico.com/election-results/2018/west-virginia/

Senator – Paula Jean Swearengin projected to lose.
3rd district – Richard Ojeda projected to win.

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cascadiance (3423 posts)    (Reply to MistaP - post #4)   May 8, 2018 at 7:12 pm

5. I think it will be interesting to measure how progressive winners do in general.

I think we should look at the percentage of how many of those that get through the cracks of the Democratic Primaries to win in many red states do in the general election versus the neoliberal “moderate dems” (corporate of course!) against Republicans in red districts.

If percentage-wise they win more seats in these areas, it would seem to me that the party will be shown to be wrong in nominating “moderate” dems to run against Republicans in these districts.

I have a theory that the moderate dems will do worse, as voters in these areas will be leaning in general to be looking for populist candidates in both parties, once they are past the social issues that dominate who gets the nominations in the primaries.  They will lean more towards populist Republicans or even slightly corporate Republicans that lean more towards their stances on social issues.  Populist issues can win some of these over, even if they don’t like Dems as much for social issue stances.  Win by lining their pocket book power, which so many Americans feel more deprived now today than they were a decade ago or so.

Ultimately once primary season is over, perhaps we can all pick which states are our “red states” here in JPR as a domain to do this measurement to see if we “win” by a greater percentage, even if we don’t better overall numbers with a smaller number of progressive candidates running overall in these areas.  That can be used to then sell to the party in future elections that they really need to think about appealing more towards the populist issues shared by all party persuasion voters when going after red state seats.  Obviously those that are owned by big money won’t want to cede ground on that measurement, as they WANT to have it measured more in terms of who gets the most donor money, etc. rather than which candidates of all parties stand more for real people’s issues instead.

As usual, one hears Manny's primitives screaming and hollering "Move left!  Move left!"

Yeah, right.  As if going more and more lunatic fringe, more and more extremist, can win elections.

I have a question, and hope to God I get an answer before I die.

"Are these people stupid, or what?"
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Re: jackpiners disappointed, discouraged, by primary results
« Reply #1 on: May 09, 2018, 03:54:56 AM »
I have a question, and hope to God I get an answer before I die.

"Are these people stupid, or what?"

This is a rhetorical question, right? :thatsright: :whistling:
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Re: jackpiners disappointed, discouraged, by primary results
« Reply #2 on: May 09, 2018, 07:34:42 AM »
Aren't Bern-Stein-grade Progs so close to being an endangered species in WV and NC that there are plans to round them up in gamy reserves to preserve the species? :-)
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Re: jackpiners disappointed, discouraged, by primary results
« Reply #3 on: May 09, 2018, 07:47:55 AM »

I have a question, and hope to God I get an answer before I die.

"Are these people stupid, or what?"

Geez, Frank...  why don't you just try to understand women too? I mean, if we are asking impossible questions, let's get it ALL out there.
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Re: jackpiners disappointed, discouraged, by primary results
« Reply #4 on: May 09, 2018, 07:49:16 AM »
Geez, Frank...  why don't you just try to understand women too? I mean, if we are asking impossible questions, let's get it ALL out there.
hehe

I am compelled to H5 you now, to offset the BSes that will come . . . :whistling: :fuelfire: :tongue:
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Re: jackpiners disappointed, discouraged, by primary results
« Reply #5 on: May 09, 2018, 08:37:20 AM »
I am compelled to H5 you now, to offset the BSes that will come . . . :whistling: :fuelfire: :tongue:

hehehehe...
My wife doesn't even pay attention to my jabs anymore. She just keeps saying something about "baking me a special pie" and "don't go to sleep".
Not sure what that means...  should I be worried?

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Re: jackpiners disappointed, discouraged, by primary results
« Reply #6 on: May 09, 2018, 10:15:43 AM »
hehehehe...
My wife doesn't even pay attention to my jabs anymore. She just keeps saying something about "baking me a special pie" and "don't go to sleep".
Not sure what that means...  should I be worried?

If she bakes you anything with chocolate in it . . . Ex-Lax does come in a chocolate form. :whistling:
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"All you have to do is look straight and see the road, and when you see it, don't sit looking at it - walk!" -Ayn Rand
 
"Those that trust God with their safety must yet use proper means for their safety, otherwise they tempt Him, and do not trust Him.  God will provide, but so must we also." - Matthew Henry, Commentary on 2 Chronicles 32, from Matthew Henry's Commentary on the Whole Bible

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Re: jackpiners disappointed, discouraged, by primary results
« Reply #7 on: May 09, 2018, 10:59:06 AM »
Geez, Frank...  why don't you just try to understand women too? I mean, if we are asking impossible questions, let's get it ALL out there.
hehe
l

Still easier to understand than helicopter aerodynamics.   :rotf:
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Re: jackpiners disappointed, discouraged, by primary results
« Reply #8 on: May 09, 2018, 11:25:59 AM »
l
 helicopter aerodynamics.   :rotf:

That's a thing?
All I see is a rotating mass of oil leaks and metal fatigue... I never once thought aerodynamics were involved... hence the reason I wouldn't climb into one of those "flying" wheat threshers for any amount of money

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Re: jackpiners disappointed, discouraged, by primary results
« Reply #9 on: May 10, 2018, 09:58:51 AM »
Aren't Bern-Stein-grade Progs so close to being an endangered species in WV and NC that there are plans to round them up in gamy reserves to preserve the species? :-)

Manny must be on vacation, as the jackpine message board's been having problems the past three days, where replies don't show.
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Re: jackpiners disappointed, discouraged, by primary results
« Reply #10 on: May 10, 2018, 10:11:59 AM »
That's a thing?
All I see is a rotating mass of oil leaks and metal fatigue... I never once thought aerodynamics were involved... hence the reason I wouldn't climb into one of those "flying" wheat threshers for any amount of money

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Re: jackpiners disappointed, discouraged, by primary results
« Reply #11 on: May 10, 2018, 10:08:21 PM »
ESAD PineConeHeads.  They had a good run with anti-Hitlery posts but failed with their pro-PaliTrash idiocy.  Smell the sulpher Jbags...