Fewer guns mean fewer killings. We want a handgun ban.

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Star Member sharedvalues (3,008 posts) https://www.democraticunderground.com/1172205254


Fewer guns mean fewer killings. We want a handgun ban.

It’s sunday, so it’s a good time to ask again:

Why haven’t we banned handguns and other guns designed to kill people?

Despite the chaff the right loves to throw in the air*, it is very clear that fewer guns in a society means fewer gun crimes. Kids in cities like Chicago, DC and NYC get killed regularly because of handguns. If you don’t live in those cities, it’s hard to relate — but handguns get people killed in cities.

In 2018 let’s commit to getting guns off our streets. Support a #handgunban.

Happy new year!

• if you haven’t seen it, watch Merchants of Doubt. It describes the tobacco lobby, but the techniques tobacco used are now being used to sow doubt about gun crime. Don’t get distracted. Fewer guns means fewer deaths. It’s widely agreed upon by serious people and has been shown across societies.

OFFF.... guns aren't going out on their own shooting innocent kids in Detroit. It's black kids shooting other black kids over drugs and crimes...

Star Member thbobby (380 posts)

1. Stop open carry and

make background checks mandatory is an obvious and needed first step. I have little problem with handguns in the home. A small gauge shotgun is really best home defense weapon for those who feel they need it. Some have difficulty handling a shotgun.

Really, the entire I need a gun culture is a vile cancer in America. I look at countries where guns are prohibited with envy and respect.

    This should be good...

Star Member thbobby (380 posts)

29. Gauge refers to the diameter of

the shell and barrel. 12 gauge is fairly standard with hunters. The gun has a substantial kick when fired. 16 or 20 gauge are smaller with less kick. Smallest gauge I know of is referred to 4/10. When shot, the gun has a small kick. At short range, even a 4/10 has more "stopping power" than a handgun or even a rifle. Most people can easily use a 4/10. A 12 gauge will be difficult for some older people. The diameter of a 12 gauge barrel is about the size of a quarter (maybe slightly larger, not sure). A 4/10 diameter is more like a dime.

 

Star Member The Polack MSgt (1,882 posts)

31. Sorry to be "that guy" but - no

Caliber is the diameter of the projectile, gauge refers to how many standard loads make a pound -

12 gauge = 1.25 ounces of shot, 16 gauge = 1 ounce of shot, etc..

A .410 shotgun is a 28 gauge, and the projectile is .41 inches in diameter

The concept of stopping power is a much more complex than just pound feet of energy at impact, and so is the concept of how America deals with gun ownership.

Banning things that are scary without a solid grasp of the reality of the situation, is nonsense.

If bans worked there would be no heroin addicts or weed smokers in he whole wide world. Bans are authoritarian knee jerk reactions

"Don't just stand there do something now" is not a valid strategy

"stopping power" has everything to do with kinetic energy transfer from the bullet to the target. KE is equated to mass x velocity = energy. The faster a larger bullet is traveling the harder it hits aka kinetic energy transfer.
Several small diameter pellets vs one big ****ing round, for example, don't equal each other.
If you were talking slugs in a .410 I recommend this page: http://mcb-homis.com/slug_410/index.htm


More or less the Ke of a .410 at 10 yards is about 780 ft-lbs

Star Member sharedvalues (3,008 posts)

3. Guns are a cause of deaths.

Like every other advanced society has done , let’s get handguns off our streets.

Star Member Eliot Rosewater (10,036 posts)

5. No constitutional protection for any gun let alone hand guns outside of a

militia.

Scalia - Heller are wrongly decided.

Star Member Chemisse (26,699 posts)

12. No. And it's this kind of sentiment that allows the NRA to flourish.

People have a right to own weapons, including handguns. I don't own one, but I don't begrudge any sane and noncriminal citizen the right to do so.

But there is a line between what is reasonable and fair, and what is ridiculous and a danger to all.

That line is automatic and/or semi-automatic weapons (forgive me if I am not well-versed in guns). Nobody should be afforded the ability to take out hundreds of people in a matter of a few minutes.

Saying that all handguns should be banned will keep people up in arms (pun intended) and actively resisting ANY common-sense adjustments to gun laws.

 

[Maverick1987]

All my firearms are here for the taking.  Good luck! 

[DumbAss Tanker]

Star Member The Polack MSgt (1,882 posts)

31. Sorry to be "that guy" but - no

Caliber is the diameter of the projectile, gauge refers to how many standard loads make a pound -

12 gauge = 1.25 ounces of shot, 16 gauge = 1 ounce of shot, etc..

A .410 shotgun is a 28 gauge, and the projectile is .41 inches in diameter

Well, you're warmer, but still wrong.  It's not how many ounces of shot go in a standard load, it's how many round balls in that size could be cast from a pound of lead.  12 gauge = 12 balls per pound.  Although practically unheard of now, single round ball loads were once the standard equivalent to modern slugs.

The .410 is just out of the whole normal gauge system, it's a cailber-system measure, along with .44 shotshells and some other oddities measured in mm that are now just historical curiosities.  There were gauge-system rounds, like 32 gauge, in similar bore sizes, it's just an accident of history that it was the .410 that became the sole survivor rather than the .44, 11mm, or 32 gauge.

And no, the .410 is no beater of a real pistol round in the same projo range, it operates at a considerably lower pressure than a real pistol round, a .410 slug is kind of in the range of a .38 S&W (Not the .38 S&W Special, but the older stubby round)

[67 Rover]

All my firearms are here for the taking.  Good luck! 

No reason to not be compensated for having the common sense to give up your guns, wait for the next buyback and get a $25 Target gift card. 

[fatboy]

Star Member sharedvalues (3,008 posts)

3. Guns are a cause of deaths.

Like every other advanced society has done , let’s get handguns off our streets.

Is it just me but every time I walk down the street I keep looking but never have I seen any of the gunz lying on the streets that the DUmmies want to get rid of.

[Undies]

Star Member sharedvalues (3,008 posts) https://www.democraticunderground.com/1172205254


Fewer guns mean fewer killings. We want a handgun ban.

It’s sunday, so it’s a good time to ask again:

Why haven’t we banned handguns and other guns designed to kill people?

As shown by the many vile things they support, the DUmmies/Lefties have absolutely NO regard for human life.  This leads me to believe their obsession with banning guns is based on something other than their professed phony reason for saving lives.

See, DUmmies? We are on to you and your godless ideology. 

[hillneck]

Star Member thbobby (380 posts)

1. I look at countries where guns are prohibited with envy and respect.

Well DUmmie, at anytime you can take your liberal self to any of those countries and stay. 

The DUmmies should at least read a book about something before giving their opinion.  Their discussion about guns is not even a good guess, and just shows their ignorance.

[Texacon]

Well, you're warmer, but still wrong.  It's not how many ounces of shot go in a standard load, it's how many round balls in that size could be cast from a pound of lead.  12 gauge = 12 balls per pound.  Although practically unheard of now, single round ball loads were once the standard equivalent to modern slugs.

The .410 is just out of the whole normal gauge system, it's a cailber-system measure, along with .44 shotshells and some other oddities measured in mm that are now just historical curiosities.  There were gauge-system rounds, like 32 gauge, in similar bore sizes, it's just an accident of history that it was the .410 that became the sole survivor rather than the .44, 11mm, or 32 gauge.

And no, the .410 is no beater of a real pistol round in the same projo range, it operates at a considerably lower pressure than a real pistol round, a .410 slug is kind of in the range of a .38 S&W (Not the .38 S&W Special, but the older stubby round)

Beat me to it.  And if they were to give the .410 a gauge it would be 67 gauge.  But like you said, they're so confident in things they have no idea about ...

KC

[VelvetElvis]

Is it just me but every time I walk down the street I keep looking but never have I seen any of the gunz lying on the streets that the DUmmies want to get rid of.

You must be walking the streets I just got done walking then, cuz I fill up a wheelbarrow with handguns of all descriptions every time a take a stroll.
Gonna have to stop pretty soon though, because my wife is complaining about all the closet space they're taking up.
 

[VelvetElvis]

Well DUmmie, at anytime you can take your liberal self to any of those countries and stay. 

The DUmmies should at least read a book about something before giving their opinion.  Their discussion about guns is not even a good guess, and just shows their ignorance.

Apparently a Google search for basic information on calibers and gauges is too much for them. 
Why bother with facts, when pig-ignorant opinions are in such ample supply?

[Wineslob]

Gun Free Zones




Nuff said.

[BadCat]

Dear DUmbass "sharedvalues":

I have a handgun right here in my desk drawer.
C'mon over and get it, I'll give it to you 230 grains at a time.

[VelvetElvis]

Dear DUmbass "sharedvalues":

I have a handgun right here in my desk drawer.
C'mon over and get it, I'll give it to you 230 grains at a time.

Ah, yes, Hardball.
And definitely not the tingly legged MSLSD kind either.

[Big Dog]

Is it just me but every time I walk down the street I keep looking but never have I seen any of the gunz lying on the streets that the DUmmies want to get rid of.

That's because they all followed me home!

[Maverick1987]

That's because they all followed me home!

Good to see you around, BD!

 

[DUmpsterDiver]

> Some DUmmy wrote: Fewer guns mean fewer killings. We want a handgun ban.

When you illegal enablers and felon re-leasers quit dumping your failed democrat trash on us then maybe we'll uncock the hammer.
Until then, unlocked, loaded and a pico trigger for the filth you unleash.

ESAD DUmmy.

[Skul]

Gun Free Zones


Nuff said.

Short, sweet, to the point and oh-so-true.  ^5

That's because they all followed me home!

Take a walk around Chicago or Detroit. You could be a gunzillionaire.   

[BlueStateSaint]

> Some DUmmy wrote: Fewer guns mean fewer killings. We want a handgun ban.

When you illegal enablers and felon re-leasers quit dumping your failed democrat trash on us then maybe we'll uncock the hammer.
Until then, unlocked, loaded and a pico trigger for the filth you unleash.

ESAD DUmmy.

You have one of the tiny Berettas?  How is it?