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Was Yesterday's Mass Shooting in Texas Part of "God's Plan?"


If so, I want nothing whatever to do with such a deity. Same question for the Las Vegas concert shooting. What sort of deity includes such tragedies in any sort of "divine plan?"

This is part of why I'm totally and irrevocably unable to believe that any deities or other supernatural entities exist. It is illogical to hold the idea that a deity would allow the mass killing of people while in the very act of worshiping that deity. That concept makes zero sense at all.

I welcome attempts to counter my argument.

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Your argument is a toxic waste DUmp.

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Re: Was Yesterday's Mass Shooting in Texas Part of "God's Plan?" Rockhead
« Reply #1 on: November 06, 2017, 09:09:31 AM »
It is going to be hard trying to explain the concept of free will to a socialist. It would be easier to explain it to a stump. (and not TMN leg.)
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Re: Was Yesterday's Mass Shooting in Texas Part of "God's Plan?" Rockhead
« Reply #2 on: November 06, 2017, 09:20:41 AM »
MM your "god" is a useless black racist divisive individual and a crooked, lying money grubbing bitch who would do anything for money and power.
so just STFU and eat shit and die. We don't care what you think because you are brain dead. :bird: :bird: :bird: :bird: :bird:

Most of these mass shooters are mentally ill democrats as well. :bird: :bird: :bird: :bird:
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Re: Was Yesterday's Mass Shooting in Texas Part of "God's Plan?" Rockhead
« Reply #3 on: November 06, 2017, 10:08:40 AM »
I think there are Christians "out there" who believe God micro-manages everything in the universe. They really aren't that numerous.

So for all the :hi5: ing MM will probably be getting from his fellow DU-ignorami, he just put his ignorance on display. imagining that ignorance to be a powerful argument.
If, as anti-Covid-vaxxers claim, https://www.poynter.org/fact-checking/2021/robert-f-kennedy-jr-said-the-covid-19-vaccine-is-the-deadliest-vaccine-ever-made-thats-not-true/ , https://gospelnewsnetwork.org/2021/11/23/covid-shots-are-the-deadliest-vaccines-in-medical-history/ , The Vaccine is deadly, where in the US have Pfizer and Moderna hidden the millions of bodies of those who died of "vaccine injury"? Is reality a Big Pharma Shill?

Millions now living should have died. Anti-Covid-Vaxxer ghouls hardest hit.

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Re: Was Yesterday's Mass Shooting in Texas Part of "God's Plan?" Rockhead
« Reply #4 on: November 06, 2017, 10:26:18 AM »
I think there are Christians "out there" who believe God micro-manages everything in the universe. They really aren't that numerous.

So for all the :hi5: ing MM will probably be getting from his fellow DU-ignorami, he just put his ignorance on display. imagining that ignorance to be a powerful argument.

I believe that God is in control of all things and events in the universe. From the behavior of the tiniest particle to the universe itself, God is aware of it. Events unfold either through God's action or inaction and always further His plan. God could have stopped the events in Texas or Las Vegas but He chose not too. I assume that some greater good will be achieved letting the events happen. A god that doesn't have control over all aspects of creation is not a god at all.
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Re: Was Yesterday's Mass Shooting in Texas Part of "God's Plan?" Rockhead
« Reply #5 on: November 06, 2017, 02:49:15 PM »
At no point does Christianity claim its adherents will escape death, let alone violent death.

In fact, it was founded and buttressed on the lives of martyrs - people who kept their faith despite being brutally killed for it.

I do not understand this asinine idea that Christians are supposed to escape death but Proglodytes are so enamored of it they even had the character Hannibal Lecter make the same quip in 2 separate movies. And yet they congratulate themselves for being so clever when they made up something that doesn't exist.

The smug, undeserved self satisfaction is breathtaking.
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Re: Was Yesterday's Mass Shooting in Texas Part of "God's Plan?" Rockhead
« Reply #6 on: November 06, 2017, 02:58:37 PM »
From day 1, humans have had the ability to disobey God. The choice and the disobedience is real, with real consequences. A child "steals" candy and is spanked. This character chose to murder people, and they and he are dead.

The god MM creates and denies in his imagination is too small to be real.
If, as anti-Covid-vaxxers claim, https://www.poynter.org/fact-checking/2021/robert-f-kennedy-jr-said-the-covid-19-vaccine-is-the-deadliest-vaccine-ever-made-thats-not-true/ , https://gospelnewsnetwork.org/2021/11/23/covid-shots-are-the-deadliest-vaccines-in-medical-history/ , The Vaccine is deadly, where in the US have Pfizer and Moderna hidden the millions of bodies of those who died of "vaccine injury"? Is reality a Big Pharma Shill?

Millions now living should have died. Anti-Covid-Vaxxer ghouls hardest hit.

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Re: Was Yesterday's Mass Shooting in Texas Part of "God's Plan?" Rockhead
« Reply #7 on: November 06, 2017, 04:10:05 PM »
2 words Rockhead: Free will:

Free will is a precious gift from God, for it lets us love him with our “whole heart”—because we want to.—Matthew 22:37.

Free will is a blessing and a curse. God has given all of us the absolute ability to makes choices in life. We have the ability to choose good or evil, right or wrong, self or others. Unfortunately, from the beginning of time, we have chosen evil quite often. Many argue that mankind is generally good. Actually, mankind is generally bad. Just look at history. Just look at small children (we don't have to teach them how to steal cookies or strike siblings).


There is my counter to your argument.

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Re: Was Yesterday's Mass Shooting in Texas Part of "God's Plan?" Rockhead
« Reply #8 on: November 06, 2017, 08:12:32 PM »
Ooh, as someone with a Masters in Divinity, let me play!
1. As others here have observed, it ties into the concept of free will. God didn't want us to be mindless robots who would just automatically love Him and always make the right decisions; He wanted us to love Him and make right decisions of our own will, as that would obviously be worth more. A sad downside to that is that many people will use that free will they've been given to not just refuse to love God and follow Him in making right decisions, but will commit truly monstrous and evil acts. While God can at times intervene in our lives in miraculous ways, for Him to do so every time (As Rockhead seems to believe a loving God should) would strip us of our free will by directly preventing us from being able to do anything wrong.
2. As Snuggle Bunny observed, Jesus never once said that following Him would mean a perfectly happy, blissful life without any kind of hardship or danger. In fact, He promised quite the contrary: It would lead to Satan and the unbelieving world hitting us all the harder in various ways. It's why, out of the original twelve Apostles (Including Paul and excluding Judas Iscariot), the only one who WASN'T killed for his faith in Jesus was John son of Zebedee, and he was exiled to an island for the rest of his life. However, Jesus DID promise two things: a) That God would be there to help guide us through it, and b) That it would be well worth it in the end when we get to join Him in Heaven forever.
3. Going through hard and painful times can strengthen people and build character. For instance, I was badly picked on in my teens for having disabilities. It was hard and painful to go through, but it caused me to learn kindness and empathy for those who are similarly picked on and mistreated for being different.
4. With regards to the point Rockhead tried to make about God's plan, here's part of the thing with that: God can take even the most awful experiences and bring immense good from them. Joseph observed and pointed this out in the book of Genesis; He was betrayed and sold into slavery by his own brothers, falsely accused of sexual assault just for having integrity and refusing to let his master's wife seduce him, and thrown into prison for that reason, yet God used that to do much good, as it ultimately put Joseph in a position to help save his family, and all of Egypt, from dying in a famine. For a 20th century example, when black teenager Emmett Till was brutally murdered for flirting with a white woman, God used that and the courage and faith that Till's mother demonstrated to help show the entire world how destructive hate can be, and convince countless Americans (Including then- president JFK) that civil rights was a moral issue rather than just a political one. Such events as those and the recent shootings are horrible now, but the day will come when we will be able to look back on them and see not just God's hand in comforting and strengthening the families of those who died, but how He can take a tragedy and use it to help bring about great good in the long term.
But, hey, I'm applying logic and theological truth to a DUmmy's argument. If he ever read this, he'd undoubtedly just call me a stupid "Fundy," probably with a couple obscenities attached as well, and go right on with his ignorant, closed- minded thinking until the day he dies and comes face to face with the God he openly denied. I would not want to be in his shoes on that day.
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