Trump's photo-op with Henry ****ing Kissinger is a message of War

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Star Member berni_mccoy (20,269 posts) https://www.democraticunderground.com/10029694579

Trump's photo-op with Henry ****ing Kissinger is a message of War


That's the message he is sending by sitting with this war mongerer.

chelsea0011 (9,657 posts)
3. How long has it been that Kissinger has played a part in foreign policy?

This isn't the first time this loser POTUS has invited him into the WH. Kissinger has nothing to say about the current state of foeriegn affairs and probably can't even name the leaders of many countries. This is a joke and the press should be outraged. Just because you are the last person standing from the 60's and 70's doesn't mean you get a free pass. He has nothing, NOTHING, to offer but this country is led by a joker.

Star Member guillaumeb (16,258 posts)
5. In my view, Kissinger only escaped indictment because of his US Government position.

The winners never stand trial.

  The DUmpminkiez are pretty much on the side of whomever is against the USA...

Star Member BainsBane (43,394 posts)
8. That's what bothers you?

Not threatening to bomb North Korea or talking about the calm before the storm? Or asking why do we have nuclear weapons if we don't have them? Yet you're more disturbed by Kissinger than a man who treats nuclear weapons as toys.

 

Star Member BainsBane (43,394 posts)
16. Because you wrote about Kissinger in your OP

not those other things. You wrote: " Trump's photo-op with Henry ****ing Kissinger is a message of War [View all]

That's the message he is sending by sitting with this war mongerer."

I disagree. It looks to me like Kelly has convinced Trump to talk to some foreign policy experts to get him to back away from nuking N Korea.

Furthermore, I don't share the view that Trump's ignorance and emotion-driven approach to politics is worse than Kissinger's real politik. That is not to excuse Kissinger's atrocious human rights record but rather to point out that Trump is far, far worse than anything or anyone that has come before him.

once against- the [R] President is an idiot and controlled by those around him..

it never gets old for DU.

Star Member BainsBane (43,394 posts)
15. Kissinger has a horrendous record on human rights

Kissinger is not the "grand daddy" of treating nuclear weapons like toys. When did he drop one?

How is Trump's "madman strategy" out of Kissinger's playbook? You'll have to explain to me how Trump relates to Real Politik.

Vietnam begun under the Eisenhower and Kennedy administrations, long before Kissinger served in government.

The bulk of the kidnappings in Chile, the disappeared, occurred after the coup, after Pinochet seized power. If you are referring to the kidnapping and murder of General Rene Schneider, you have a point. Your use of the plural, however, does not, to my knowledge, seem appropriate.

Trump is not part of a continuum of US foreign policy. He's an imbecile with no knowledge or strategy.

The point of the OP was not that Kissinger was bad. It was expressing outrage that Trump met with him, that doing so somehow made nuclear war more likely. I disagree. I rather he seek advice from foreign policy experts than continue flailing based entirely on ego and idiocy. Despite Kissinger's role in atrocities in Chile and Vietnam, he is knowledgeable on foreign policy. Frankly, I'm more concerned about his meeting with John Bolton because the neocons are more eager for war than Kissinger and other realists.

 

Star Member BainsBane (43,394 posts)
33. He knows more than Trump

And I expect he was brought there to help convince Trump that nuclear war with N Korea would have devastating consequences for the US.

 

Star Member BainsBane (43,394 posts)
31. Your claim was kidnappings when someone stood in the way of a coup

Schneider fits that description. I also referenced the 11,000 plus disappeared, and clearly Kissinger was complicit in those disappearance in that he helped install Pinochet and refused to consider human rights in ongoing relations with that govt. you have not cited another example of a kidnapping that fits your characterization, and your responses suggest the details are of limited interest to you. I think they matter.

You repeated the phrase about nukes as toys in regard to Kissinger and insisted he is the “grand daddy of using nuclear weapons as toys.” Now you refuse to say what prompted you to make that claim and even deny responsibility for using it.

I’ll chalk your comments up to “Kissinger bad.” I don’t disagree with that, or that he should be subject to the International Criminal Court, which would require the US to become a signatory. I do, however, believe it important to know and care about the particulars. I think the tendency to see Kissinger as uniquely evil in US foreign policy is wrong. The US invaded Latin America alone 30 times prior to the end of WWI. Administrations in the post-WWII period have sponsored a series of coups and propped up dozens of horrifically brutal, even genocidal, regimes. That includes during the time periods progressives say they want the US to return to. Kissinger was part of a long history of a brutal US foreign policy, not divergent from it. Trump is different in that he has no knowledge, policy, or ideology and is instead driven by ego and emotion, which makes him far more dangerous.

Trump has not yet launched a nuke, but Kelly is afraid to leave him alone with the nuclear football. Kelly and some others have talked about whether they would tackle Trump and take it away if, or more likely when, he tries to launch nukes. I have little doubts that Kissinger's visit today was part of an effort to convince Trump that nuclear war with N Korea would be devastating to the US, since there is zero doubt Kim Jung Un will use nukes if attacked. Nuclear Armageddon is worse than Vietnam, Laos, and Pinochet because many millions would die. You may, for reasons I can only speculate about, see Kissinger as worse than Trump, but I do not.

 

Star Member Ilsa (45,708 posts)
21. I think it's a message of Death, too.

HK looks like he's dead. DOTUS is stupid for dragging his old carcass back into the WH.

 

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Star Member berni_mccoy (20,269 posts) https://www.democraticunderground.com/10029694579

Trump's photo-op with Henry ****ing Kissinger is a message of War

That's the message he is sending by sitting with this war mongerer.

Dude reminds me of an old joke: student to teacher, "Sure I know how to spell banana, I just don't know when to stop, B-A-N-A-N-A-N-A-N-A-N-A-N-A ...".

"berni_mccoy" also has a memory problem (or ignorance of history problem). The big escalations of US involvement in the Vietnam War were under Kennedy and Johnson, both Democrats. Kissinger negotiated the end of our involvement and our betrayal of the people of South Vietnam. What Kissinger symbolizes can be debated, but advocating war would not be among the rational choices.

Kim II & III were handled badly for 24 years, by Clinton and Obama especially. Trump is trying to undo their mistakes, and dealing with a crazy power-mad dictator like Kim III - who thinks he holds the nuclear cards that will let him hold his neighbors thrall and make him a geopolitical player - is not easy. I think Trump and team are playing Kim correctly.