My Student Showed Me How Pervasive and Powerful the Anti-HRC Campaign Was

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ProudLib72 (4,364 posts)

My Student Showed Me How Pervasive and Powerful the Anti-HRC Campaign Was


Twice a month now, a group of people are coming into my college to register students to vote. I saw them today and decided to ask my students if they were registered. This led them into to a discussion of who voted last year. One student is a Hispanic woman (born here and a citizen but identifies heavily with and has spent a lot of time in Mexico). She told me she hadn't voted because both candidates were bad and she didn't want either for president.

I got a little upset. No, I didn't say anything negative to the student. But it made me realize how insidious the Dotard campaign really was. My student is 20, Hispanic, female. Those are three good reasons for her voting for Hillary. The only reason possible for her not casting her vote for Hillary was the negativity, the lies, and the suppression by manipulation that occurred.

Look, this is not the first time one of my students has expressed this sentiment. It's just that this time around, my student had every reason imaginable to vote for HRC or, at least, against Dotard. So how do we get these young people to vote? How can we fight against the disinformation campaign? It's not legal for me to take my students aside and tell the how to vote even though I certainly feel like it. So who is in a position of authority and trust who can legally talk to these people? I mean, my God, today's revelation was a major nail in the coffin of hope.

 

She was a legal citizen of the country. Most legal Hispanic citizens don't want illegals in the country. Most 20 y.o.s are just too lazy to register to vote.

ProudLib72 (4,364 posts)
2. Yeah, but it turned out that she was registered

See, I asked that question first. Then they started discussing the last election and volunteered the reasons why they hadn't voted. I believe her because she seemed genuine. I do admit there are a lot of students who are either apathetic or don't want to bother. The thing is, though, in CO we have voting by mail. All one has to do is register to receive a ballot in the mail. Pretty easy. I really think she chose to ignore the ballot because she was disappointed in her options. That is what scares the hell out of me. It was a giant snow job that convinced a lot of people not to bother.

Star Member Blue_true (2,426 posts)
5. One of my younger brothers relayed something to me.

We were talking about voting. My brother knows several Black people that he work with who did not vote in the Presidential election.

Their reason to him? Hillary was just as bad as Trump. My brother says some of them feel bad now, but too late, they ****ed up when they could have made a difference.

Them Blacks are too stupid to vote for their own good [/DU]

Jim Beard (2,407 posts)
83. I know yall hate me because I am a white male but I do have some knowledge of this. I resigned as a Democratic Party Chairman last year because I was fed up. One year I got a check for $1.84 from the state office to help Democratic candidates, thats all. With the beginning of baby Bush, everything has gone to hell in this county and I can speak very well of the Hispanic voters. THEY DON'T VOTE. Sure we had a good turnout but not compared to the population.

The hispanic men loved Trump and really, why should they for Hillary, they don't need food stamps aid to dependent children or medical because the have insurance with their jobs. There was no racial difference in the hispanic or white male voting behavior. That is those that voted.

I have quit, I am sick of it. Why should I take the bullshit at the local level from other white men and on the internet from women.

There are only 2 county chairs left in the Texas Panhandle/South Plains. Those are in Amarillo and Lubbock and they can not keep a steady chair.

It used to be good when we would have meetings and trade stories about calling C-Span and using a different different name and town each time.

I am 70 and don't need any more local enemy's. Someone else has to do it but so far, there have been no takers.

 

Star Member treestar (68,133 posts)
63. a black lady told me that

she was talking to young black men who said Obama did not stop the shootings by cops, so why would Hillary be able to?

It's just being uninformed, which is more forgivable for youth.

Star Member Blue_true (2,426 posts)
82. That young Black man's logic is like saying a person should not drink water because water is not always cold. Really screwed up thinking.

Racist cops and cop over-reaction is deeply embedded in our society. Obama was working with police departments to get rid of racist cops and then work on overreaction, like a cop driving up, not being in danger, but shooting and killing someone.

 

Ninsianna (983 posts)
8. Um, that message was not coming from Dotard.

It was coming from various sources that were pretending to be the left. This is the damage that was done, never corrected, her choice to not vote and the reasoning for that was programmed in quite early, by people who kept insisting that the parties were the same and that Hillary and Donald were equivalent.

haveahart (905 posts)
10. Some were not "pretending to be the left." Theynwere the "left."They call themselves
Progressives or Bernie followers.

lovemydogs (287 posts)
15. I am a Progressive. I do not apologize for my views

I happen to agree more with Bernie's ideas then Hillary's.
But, I do not hate Hillary.
Neither did the people I knew who supported Sanders
Most progressives I know thought she was fine but, liked Bernie better.

I am sick to death of the hanging onto resentments and blaming Progressives because Hillary lost.

We did not cause Hillary to lose.

It is time to move on

Star Member wasupaloopa (438 posts)
19. Bernie also spread lies about Hillary. Because of that he is part of the reason we have Trump.

And I believe he will hurt us in 2018 by his attacking the Democratic party,

I wish he would STFU and retire.

Star Member wasupaloopa (438 posts)
22. His attacking her for giving speaches to Wall Street means she was compromised

Hillary never in her life put Wall Street above the good of the public.

Star Member TheFrenchRazor (1,512 posts)
40. yeah; obama was "cool" whereas hillary was cranky grama. young people do not always make decisions

decisions based on objective, rational assessment of facts; that's not hillary's fault as a candidate, but it does point to the democratic party's need to find a better way to reach younger voters.

Ninsianna (983 posts)
46. Actually it can,

we have reports of hundreds of thousands of people in many states being turned away from voting, not being given voter ids in time (despite a court ruling), being turned away for lack of adequate ids, despite having many forms of government issues ids, and being given provisional ballots that were never counted.

That's not even looking at the votes that were never counted, in places like MI where the vote totals from the machines didn't match the books, etc. etc.

Your screen name is Motownman, did you have no idea what was happening in Wayne County during the recount?


I can't paste a link for some reason (browser is being weird), but I suggest you google a piece by Ari Berman on Bill Moyers site entitled: "A New Study Shows Just How Many Americans Were Blocked From Voting in Wisconin Last Year" posted on 9/27/17

Wisconsin Voter ID Law Proved Unsurmountable For Many (An AP story posted on 5/14/17 on www.jsonline.com addresses the point you found so interesteing about the under 29's, many of whom are college students and young mobile people in the workforce who don't update their basic id, and quite a few who demonstrate a basic failure of understanding about how elections work, when registration happens or when things need to be done.

 

Star Member wasupaloopa (438 posts)
18. Why didn't your student have the critical thinking skills to reject the bull shit?

That anti Clinton crap didn't effect me that way.

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adius777 (697 posts)
29. 25 years of anti-Clintonism from right and left

took its toll amongst many constitutencies in this election that would otherwise lean Dem.

Remember, this girl, who is only 20, grew up only hearing this stuff, so it's not suprising.

I also do think that Dems and the left in general is now viewed by young people as overly purist and dogmatic.. anything that contradicts the white progressive bubble is shouted down... a stark contrast to how Dems were perceived amongst my gen(x).. Bill was viewed as the cool uncle type who might take you out for fast food, or to the strip club, or would let you smoke-up (but maybe not inhale?  ). Dems have lost that vibe.. they're now perceived as boring and serious as Repubs.

So Hillary (and Obama, to a lesser extent) were damaged by those forces, in addition to the Russian/Comey meddling.

 

CakeGrrl (10,350 posts)
34. The Follow-Up Question - it is NEVER asked

by the media when the GOP lies.

Use it with anyone who makes this kind of statement. One simple follow-up can open the door to either a discussion or a realization that their reasoning is seriously flawed.

"Why?"
"What has she done that makes her as bad as Trump?"

If they can't articulate an answer, then it's just a matter of believing what's been repeated without thinking about what it really implied.


Unfortunately, America has been systematically dumbed down for years, and there is widespread ignorance about the details of government, how it functions, and its impact on daily life.

We're probably at the stage where people have to have things hit bottom and learn the hard way.

[Mr Mannn]

wow. democrats refusing to vote for Hillary. DU is perplexed.

[Old n Grumpy]

Hiliary was a terrible candidate, she thought she would be handed the keys to the white house on a silver platter. All you dummies went along with it.

She lost because she is a liar, untrustworthy, made a mess of everything she touched as secretary of state and is a corrupt crook with a shrieking voice, big fat ass and cankles. She would have lost to a stump if the republicans ran one.

[franksolich]

Yeah.

wasupaloopa (438 posts)
 
19. Bernie also spread lies about Hillary. Because of that he is part of the reason we have Trump.

And I believe he will hurt us in 2018 by his attacking the Democratic party,

I wish he would STFU and retire.

I do too. 

[freedumb2003b]

Star Member treestar (68,133 posts)
63. a black lady told me that

she was talking to young black men who said Obama did not stop the shootings by cops, so why would Hillary be able to?

It's just being uninformed, which is more forgivable for youth.

That is one informed negro.  EVERY SINGLE misery statistic -- income, employment, violence, crime -- got WORSE under the Magic Negro.  The reasoning it will only get worse under hiLIARy is sound.

[Undies]

Star Member treestar (68,133 posts)
63. a black lady told me that

she was talking to young black men who said Obama did not stop the shootings by cops, so why would Hillary be able to?

It's just being uninformed, which is more forgivable for youth.

You DUmmies do realize this condescending insult of black men's intelligence is one of the democrat party's biggest problem, do you not?

The "young black man" mentioned sounds pretty damned informed to me.  The democrat party doesn't like it because he is an individual with an opinion that does not help your ever-more- important "group think".  Without group think, the democrat party is dead.

[Adam Wood]

Star Member Blue_true (2,426 posts)
5. One of my younger brothers relayed something to me.

We were talking about voting. My brother knows several Black people that he work with who did not vote in the Presidential election.

Their reason to him? Hillary was just as bad as Trump. My brother says some of them feel bad now, but too late, they ****ed up when they could have made a difference.

In the run-up to the election, I had three Black neighbors with whom I was close enough to discuss politics.  Two had voted for Obama in '12, one had not voted at all.  All three were very firmly in the Trump camp, mostly because they were VERY upset about the flood of illegals.  All three of them readily agreed that Hillary was a disaster in waiting.

IIRC, Trump picked up not-insignificant gains over Romney in both the Black and Hispanic voting blocs.  There's a good reason for that, and that reason's initials are Hillary Clinton.

[SVPete]

In the run-up to the election, I had three Black neighbors with whom I was close enough to discuss politics.  Two had voted for Obama in '12, one had not voted at all.  All three were very firmly in the Trump camp, mostly because they were VERY upset about the flood of illegals.  All three of them readily agreed that Hillary was a disaster in waiting.

IIRC, Trump picked up not-insignificant gains over Romney in both the Black and Hispanic voting blocs.  There's a good reason for that, and that reason's initials are Hillary Clinton.

And BHO, wrt your neighbors, at least.