A squibble-squabble of epic proportion

[Skul]

The actual OP is noteworthy and worth the read.
The best part is a slapfest that will tickle your funnybone.


https://www.democraticunderground.com/10141877495

Fri Sep 29, 2017, 01:38 AM
Star Member nitpicker (2,561 posts)

US troops deliver food, supplies to devastated Puerto Rico during round-the-clock operations


Source: Military Times

US troops deliver food, supplies to devastated Puerto Rico during round-the-clock operations

By: Kathleen Curthoys and Stephen Losey    8 hours ago

The U.S. military kept up round-the-clock missions on Thursday to send aircraft, troops, food and supplies to Puerto Rico and the U.S. Virgin Islands as the devastated region struggles to recover after Hurricanes Maria and Irma slammed the islands. Eight flights were scheduled Thursday as part of 24-hour operations to deliver food, water, medical supplies, communications support and power-generating equipment, officials with U.S. Northern Command said in a release. The operations include search-and-rescue efforts, distribution of supplies and bringing power back up at hospitals, airports, ports and other facilities.
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NORTHCOM is deploying medical capabilities and ambulances, and U.S. Navy hospital ship USNS Comfort was expected to leave from Norfolk, Virginia, on Friday and arrive in Puerto Rico in a few days. C-17 and C-5 cargo aircraft were arriving Thursday in Puerto Rico, laden with supplies such as an FAA generator to support radar control operations, a Coast Guard Mobile Medical unit and heavy-duty trucks.
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Since Hurricane Maria, Air Mobility Command has flown nearly 200 sorties, delivering about 1,500 short tons of critical equipment and supplies, such as fuel, communications equipment, generators, medical equipment, food and water, said Col. Patrick Ryder, an Air Force spokesman. AMC air medical evacuation teams have moved a total of 104 patients from St Croix, including one mission on Sept. 24 that moved 34 patients. The medical team said that was the biggest mission they’ve had since during Katrina. The largest they had then was 23 patients on one flight. The Air National Guard has also flown 213 sorties to date, delivering about 1000 short tons of cargo, and 1200 personnel, flying C-130s, KC-135s, C-17s, HH-60s, RC-26s, C-40s. Personnel include aerial port, medical personnel, and communications personnel needed to help with relief operations.
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As of Wednesday, the U.S. Army had deployed more than 4,000 soldiers and U.S. Army Corps of Engineers civilians, 15 aircraft and more than 500 trucks as part of the response and relief efforts in Puerto Rico and the Virgin Islands, Army officials said in a release. The Puerto Rico Army National Guard was working to restore lines of communication and provide engineer support to clear routes for humanitarian assistance missions, Army officials said.
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Read more: http://www.militarytimes.com/news/your-military/2017/09/28/us-troops-deliver-food-supplies-to-devastated-puerto-rico-during-round-the-clock-operations/

. H/T to the poster. 

Naturally, the primitives weren't having it.
One attemted to explain why the hospital ship Comfort wasn't the best for the job.
One more took extreme exception.
I did not bring over all the comments, just the last series.
Buckle up.

Response to mr_lebowski (Reply #5)Fri Sep 29, 2017, 12:15 PM
AtheistCrusader (31,515 posts)
12. Someone who speaks english.

Merriam-Webster:

Definition of sortie
1:a sudden issuing of troops from a defensive position against the enemy
2:one mission or attack by a single plane


Though I do not doubt that colorful metaphors will be used to spin various elements of our response one way or the other as per your last examples there.
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Response to mr_lebowski (Reply #5)Fri Sep 29, 2017, 02:21 PM
Star Member SunSeeker (25,696 posts)
17. You are correct. It is indeed odd to call rescue flights "sorties."

It is rarely used outside the military context. "Trip" or "flight" seems much more appropriate under these circumstances.

But some folks loves them some he-man military jargon, especially when talking about exotic places. Never mind that this is US territory and these are US citizens.
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Response to SunSeeker (Reply #17)Fri Sep 29, 2017, 02:38 PM
AtheistCrusader (31,515 posts)
19. Merriam Webster Dictionary.

Merriam-Webster:

Definition of sortie
1:a sudden issuing of troops from a defensive position against the enemy
2:one mission or attack by a single plane

It might be a clue when you see acronyms like NORTHCOM, and the source is the Military Times, that it's not a 'he-man military jargon' thing, rather, an actual media outlet of the United States Military.

Try again.
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Response to AtheistCrusader (Reply #19)Fri Sep 29, 2017, 03:42 PM
Star Member SunSeeker (25,696 posts)
22. Webster's confirms what I am saying.

The most common meaning of the word, which is why it is listed FIRST, is "a sudden issuing of troops from a defensive position against the enemy."

Even the second, less common meaning, is militaristic, referencing an "mission or attack."

I don't need to "try again." You have failed to contradict my point.

Why are you so angry and insistent on defending Trump's horrid response to the disaster in Puerto Rico?
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Response to SunSeeker (Reply #22)Fri Sep 29, 2017, 03:44 PM
AtheistCrusader (31,515 posts)
24. IT'S A MILITARY NEWS SITE.

Good grief. You're baiting me aren't you?

This has nothing to with trump. He's irrelevant to the issue, outside political functions like dragging his feet on the Jones Act.

Edit: Oh good grief, you can't even spell it right.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Merriam-Webster
In 1831, George and Charles Merriam founded the company as G & C Merriam Co. in Springfield, Massachusetts.
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Response to AtheistCrusader (Reply #24)Fri Sep 29, 2017, 03:59 PM
Star Member SunSeeker (25,696 posts)
25. Chill dude. And yes, Trump's incompetence has everything to do with this.

Again with the defense of Trump. Sheesh.
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Response to SunSeeker (Reply #25)Fri Sep 29, 2017, 04:04 PM
AtheistCrusader (31,515 posts)
26. Play games with someone else.

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Response to AtheistCrusader (Reply #26)Fri Sep 29, 2017, 04:05 PM
Star Member SunSeeker (25,696 posts)
27. YOU'RE the one who followed me to this subthread. nt

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Response to SunSeeker (Reply #27)Fri Sep 29, 2017, 04:10 PM
AtheistCrusader (31,515 posts)
28. Excuse me, I posted in this subthread before you even showed up.

You can't even get that right? Post 12, me. Post 17, you. That's the start of your and my activity in this subthread.
You were busy being wrong up in post 4 in a totally different thread when I hit this subthread.

Edit: Oh wait, I'm sorry. You're right. I followed you with my TIME MACHINE
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Response to AtheistCrusader (Reply #28)Fri Sep 29, 2017, 04:26 PM
Star Member SunSeeker (25,696 posts)
31. I was responding to Mr Lebowski. You butted in. nt

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Response to SunSeeker (Reply #31)Fri Sep 29, 2017, 04:27 PM
AtheistCrusader (31,515 posts)
32. Look one post higher in the subthread.

I responded to him as well.

To come full circle, the word usage is not 'odd'. Period.
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Response to AtheistCrusader (Reply #32)Fri Sep 29, 2017, 04:31 PM
Star Member SunSeeker (25,696 posts)
33. I was not responding to you. Yet you felt compelled to attack me.

Odd indeed.
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Response to SunSeeker (Reply #33)Fri Sep 29, 2017, 04:57 PM
AtheistCrusader (31,515 posts)
34. I responded to post 17 in the manner appropriate to its content.

If 'sortie' (used correctly) is 'odd' then what did you think of NORTHCOM?
It might be odd coming from Mother Jones, but it wasn't odd coming from Military Times.

And Merriam Webster isn't a 'he man military' thing. Definition number 2 in the list isn't 'odd'.
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Response to AtheistCrusader (Reply #34)Fri Sep 29, 2017, 05:02 PM
Star Member SunSeeker (25,696 posts)
36. I was not talking to you, so you were not "responding" to me, you were butting in.

Odd that you can't let this go.
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Response to SunSeeker (Reply #36)Fri Sep 29, 2017, 05:12 PM
AtheistCrusader (31,515 posts)
38. I can keep hitting reply if you can.

If no one should be responding, even negatively, to other posts that were not addressed directly to them, (you falsely characterizing it as 'following you' when I was already participating here) DU would become a ghost town.

 
   

[SVPete]

So, as of the writing of that Military Times article dated 9/28 the USAF and ANG units had flown 413 sorties, delivering 2500 tons of various kinds of supplies. One particular flight was mentioned as having been flown on 9/24. They've delivered so much stuff in so short a time that the island might capsize, and DU-morons are quibbling about the usage of a word they think odd?! And Cyanose, has he chimed in on the thread that demonstrates the ignorance of his recent series of posts? Or has he slunk away, AWOL?

[DumbAss Tanker]

In the real military world, 'Sortie' is used for out-and-back sorts of missions, especially if they involve aircraft. 

[Skul]

In the real military world, 'Sortie' is used for out-and-back sorts of missions, especially if they involve aircraft.

Yup, one take off, one landing.

[SVPete]

In the real military world, 'Sortie' is used for out-and-back sorts of missions, especially if they involve aircraft.

Seeing DU-folk squibble-squabble over the usage of "sortie" was just jaw-dropping.

[DumbAss Tanker]

Seeing DU-folk squibble-squabble over the usage of "sortie" was just jaw-dropping.

Yes, it was astoundingly stupid, even for them.  Despite all their baseless pretensions to intellectualism, it has apparently eluded everyone involved that the final arbiter of language and word meanings is actual usage, not the snapshot version in any dictionary.

[Ralph Wiggum]

Jeez, leave it to DUmmies to squabble about semantics.   

[DLR Pyro]

Seeing DU-folk squibble-squabble over the usage of "sortie" was just jaw-dropping.

Not one mention of the 1,500 short tons of critical equipment delivered in that cluster **** of a pissing contest

[AzJames73]

SunSeeker and AtheistCrusader are at each other's throats

 

[FunkyZero]

It really does sometimes amaze me, even as commonly as it's visible, the extraordinary lengths some of them will go to in order to argue their outrage.
The other type, which is far less entertaining, are the ones who just hit-n-run with nothing other than an insult when they've lost an argument.
Hell, I had one on DI last night respond to every question I presented to him with a number... all the way to 13. "Grateful Dead" actually considered that creative in some mysterious way.
I suppose at least this one is digging his heels in with an argument, no matter how detached from reality it may be... that makes it far more entertaining.
And as usually, the one presenting actual facts and answers eventually throws his hands up in dismay. You can't teach these people anything, and trying is nothing short of futile.

[Old n Grumpy]

They are so busy picking fly shit out of pepper that they don't have a clue as to what is really going on. And if Trump waved a magic wand and made every one there a millionaire with a new mini mansion they would still find something to find fault with.

[SVPete]

Not one mention of the 1,500 short tons of critical equipment delivered in that cluster **** of a pissing contest

Jeez, leave it to DUmmies to squabble about semantics.   

Well, when the alternative is acknowledging that the Trump Administration has handled well three major hurricanes hitting US territory in a period of 5 weeks or so ...