primitive's daughter can't get in

[franksolich]

https://www.democraticunderground.com/10029632297

Oh my.

librechik (28,482 posts)     Mon Sep 25, 2017, 09:37 AM

My US citizen daughter was denied entry to the UK on Saturday.

Because

a) after many years of hard work she is currently unemployed (silly us--great time for a vacation, we thought)

b) she is poor, only having a thousand dollars cash and her credit card--not a criminal, no criminal record. Of course we planned to send her more money, but she had no proof of that.

c) her Scottish boyfriend is also poor, only being employed full time as a hotel clerk, and

d) she made the mistake of saying they would like to marry and live together in the UK someday.

Apparently the last bit, saying she wanted to live in the UK someday, was the real closer.

Now my sad daughter has to come home humiliated and possibly even marked for life. Her intentions were good, she was so happy to go be with her friend of many years, her fiance. Will they ever let her in?

I am quite perplexed by this cruelty.

Any comments/suggestions?

librechik (28,482 posts)      Mon Sep 25, 2017, 09:49 AM

6. no, there is no criminal record or terror connections--no Arab surname, nothing

the only thing I can think that she did wrong is to say she would like to live there with her boyfriend instead of "vacation," which might need a different visa. He was so happy that he rented an apartment for them, and that was thought of as a negative.

CatMor (241 posts)      Mon Sep 25, 2017, 10:00 AM

8. My daughter went through the same thing...

she was going to stay 6 months to be with her boyfriend. She made the mistake of having a resume in her luggage. They saw it when she went through customs and they made her turn around and fly right back home. I think she waited a year and applied for a Visa and it was granted. They are now married and and she has lived there for 12 years now. Her mistake was definitely saying she wanted to get married.

Wow. 

Jugs.

BainsBane (43,285 posts)      Mon Sep 25, 2017, 10:08 AM

13. It's the Scottish boyfriend

And saying she wanted to marry and live in the U.K. That did it. Because if she's got a boyfriend, she's probably working, they might assume.

I went through many of those interrogations with the Home Office, and while I was never denied entry I was given a 90 day notice that my visa would not be renewed again.

My boyfriend at the time was denied entry into the US. He was carrying a diary in which he talked about working in the US (he was on a tourist visa).

This was in the 80s. I'm sure it's gotten worse since. As the US makes visiting the country harder, other countries respond.

Fiendish Thingy (1,335 posts)     Mon Sep 25, 2017, 10:54 AM

24. Not that unusual

My cousin's daughter's fiancée from Canada was denied entry to the US for making a similar comment.

Countries tend to be reactive to any hint that someone might come for a visit and decide to stay permanently. My own adult children have been questioned when coming to visit us in BC, asked if they have return tickets, etc.

Sorry this happened over an innocent comment, hopefully it can get straightened out eventually.

Lee-Lee (4,357 posts)     Mon Sep 25, 2017, 11:00 AM

25. This has been standard in many countries including the US for decades

It's all about visa fraud and visa overstays.

They ask these questions to weed out people who are traveling on tourist or student visas who intend or may be likely to violate the terms of the visa even if they don't plan to.

If you say you would like to marry and stay- denied.

If you have anything indicating you have been seeking a job- denied.

If you have anything or say anything that indicates a desire to do something contrary to what the visa allows-denied.

it is nothing new and nothing that has changed with the times.

People who plan to travel abroad should be very familiar with what the terms of their visas do or do not allow and know that they shouldn't express a desire or intent to violate them when they talk to immigration officials when entering a country.

It would be nice if they didn't have to be so strict- but there is so much abuse and fraud in visa overstays and violations that the people who abuse it have ruined it for everyone else.

Doreen (4,703 posts)      Mon Sep 25, 2017, 11:26 AM

28. I hope I do not have that much trouble

when going to live in Frankfurt with my German boyfriend. I do not plan on getting a job as my disability prevents that. From what I understand with Germany is you go through steps of visas. I should be allowed to live there even if I am an American. Maybe I could become a citizen someday. My boyfriend has traveled a lot and does not think we will have a problem with it at all.

^^^isn't this the chick whose German boyfriend got deported that one time?

[FlaGator]

The U.K only allows Muslim rift-raft to enter the country.

[67 Rover]

Doreen (4,703 posts)      Mon Sep 25, 2017, 11:26 AM

28. I hope I do not have that much trouble

when going to live in Frankfurt with my German boyfriend. I do not plan on getting a job as my disability prevents that. From what I understand with Germany is you go through steps of visas. I should be allowed to live there even if I am an American. Maybe I could become a citizen someday. My boyfriend has traveled a lot and does not think we will have a problem with it at all.

   So where do we send the SSDI check?

[Old n Grumpy]

It sounds like she tripped the "Liberal Moochometer" it went off the scale and they shipped her out.

Jolly good piece of work, if I must say so myself!!

She should have thrown a tantrum and told them she is a citizen of the world and has every right to enter!!

[Undies]

The U.K only allows Muslim rift-raft to enter the country.

DUmmies and their relatives are below Muslim rift-raft?  Well, wadda-ya-know?  I always thought I was the only one who believed that was the case. 

[SVPete]

Good heavens! The girl all but said, "I will overstay my visa  and plan to make a career of living off the dole."

[fatboy]

Don't know about any of you guys but I often, during times of unemployment and zero cash flow/reserves, travel to the UK for a well earned vacation.   

[Old n Grumpy]

Memo to Dummies:
Most countries have borders and control who can enter their country.
They have rules and you need to follow them.

[SVPete]

Memo to Dummies:
Most countries have borders and control who can enter their country.
They have rules and you need to follow them.

The irony is palpable, isn't it?

[BattleHymn]

I don't see what the problem is.


Just fly to the UK, demand they allow you entry, jobless/homeless/cashless or not, just like you allow illegal aliens to do here in OUR country.

[Skul]

She could paddle across the Atlantic River, and sneak in. 

[FiddyBeowulf]

Don't know about any of you guys but I often, during times of Funemployment and zero cash flow/reserves, travel to the UK for a well earned vacation.   

I thought that was promoted during the nearly decade of failure that was the Obama years.

[Old n Grumpy]

Now my sad daughter has to come home humiliated and possibly even marked for life.

Oh, the shame!! she will have to wear the scarlet letter for life!!

[Skul]

Oh, the shame!! she will have to wear the scarlet letter for life!!

Yes. 

[BadCat]

See dipchik?  Even the socialist Limey's don't want your type in their country.

[BamaMoose]

Well here's some outstanding advice:

Gothmog (43,416 posts)

45. You need sue

Star Member librechik (28,490 posts)

47. sue, Goth?

Sue Who?   

Gothmog (43,416 posts)

48. ICE
 
The ACLU has been busy here. Contact the ACLU

Doesn't Gothmog claim to be a lawyer?

[SVPete]

Well here's some outstanding advice:

Doesn't Gothmog claim to be a lawyer?

Gothmog's Trump-Hatred and confirmation bias fogged his glasses so he didn't see that the OP's daughter had been denied entry into the UK.

[franksolich]

Well here's some outstanding advice:

Doesn't Gothmog claim to be a lawyer?

Yeah.  The gothic primitive, AKA the Texas Pyramid, is an attorney.

When he stands behind a desk, the way he spreads, it looks as if the desk is a skirt he's wearing.

Really.

<<<knows.

[Skul]

Oh ya, sic the aclpew on ICE for something they have no control over. 
DUmplings, you have to demand they sue Britain. That will force those dirty Limie to see the error of
their ways.   

[freedumb2003b]

Memo to Dummies:
Most countries have borders and control who can enter their country.
They have rules and you need to follow them. :thatsright: :loser:

When I was on the road I used to binge watch episodes of Canadian Border Patrol (it has a catcher title).  The theme music was Annie Lenox' Eurythmics "Can I lie to you."

They spend a LOT of effort keeping out potential freeloaders.  They read emails, open letters in luggage, look at your bank account balance and in your wallet -- nothing is off limits, since you can say "stop" and they will just deport you at that moment.

We do it to, but not nearly as completely as the Canuks.

[YupItsMe]

Why doesn't the Scottish boyfriend immigrate to the US.  We'll give him full benefits, housing, food, heat assistance. education, healthcare, a driver's license and a right to vote.  And if the left has their way neither one of them will ever have to work again. 

[YupItsMe]

P.S as somebody who's pretty much 100% Scotsman.  It really disappoints me there's freeloaders like this in our ilk.  We used to have pride.

[67 Rover]

Why doesn't the Scottish boyfriend immigrate to the US.  We'll give him full benefits, housing, food, heat assistance. education, healthcare, a driver's license and a right to vote.  And if the left has their way neither one of them will ever have to work again. 

Hell, if he immigrates to the right state he can get free furniture of his choosing, a fully stocked fridge and a therapy cat as a bonus.

[I_B_Perky]

She could paddle across the Atlantic River, and sneak in. 

I'd chip in for a row boat. The one that the flex seal guy cut the bottom out of would be a great choice. 

[Ken8521]

The U.K only allows Muslim rift-raft to enter the country.

Yep... if she had walked in covered head to toe in her Burqa with only her eyes visible, while saying Allah Akbar, she'd have been let in and her "boyfriend" wouldn't have had to rent anything, the govt. would have probably paid their first years rent.