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Chinese confiscating bibles: place your bets
« on: August 17, 2008, 10:05:05 AM »
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elehhhhna (1000+ posts)      Sun Aug-17-08 03:02 PM
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China confiscates Bibles from American Christians (4 guys need 300 Bibles?)
 Advertisements [?]China confiscates Bibles from American Christians
By GILLIAN WONG Associated Press
Aug. 17, 2008, 9:22AM
 â€” Chinese customs officials confiscated more than 300 Bibles on Sunday from four American Christians who arrived in a southwestern city with plans to distribute them, the group's leader said.

The Bibles were taken from the group's checked luggage after they landed at the airport in the city of Kunming, said Pat Klein, head of Vision Beyond Borders. The group, based in Sheridan, Wyoming, distributes Bibles and Christian teaching materials around the world to "strengthen the persecuted church," according to its Web site.





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No comments yet...but just imagine what the thread would look like if US Customs was confiscating copies of the Koran from visiting Muslims.


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Re: Chinese confiscating bibles: place your bets
« Reply #1 on: August 17, 2008, 10:14:25 AM »
The irony is thick isn't it?

Weren't the primitives all atwitterpated over Bush and Rice not boycotting the Olympics because of China's dismal human rights record???
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Re: Chinese confiscating bibles: place your bets
« Reply #2 on: August 17, 2008, 10:19:36 AM »
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TexasObserver  (1000+ posts)         Sun Aug-17-08 11:11 AM
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11. ugh
   Religious zealots are like flies. They eat shit and they bother people.

I'm guessing the Chinese communists would not be well received if they arrived in Anytown, USA with a gross of Mao's Little Red Book and wanted to hand them out on the town square.

Unless the town square is also the town airport and it is US customs official not receiving them "well", you analogy sucks about as bad as you do, TexasObtuser.
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Re: Chinese confiscating bibles: place your bets
« Reply #3 on: August 17, 2008, 12:39:46 PM »
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Idealist Hippie  (1000+ posts)       Sun Aug-17-08 12:32 PM
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22. What if four Moslems were bringing 300 Qu'rans through U.S. customs?
 I somehow doubt the D.H.S. people would offer a hand with the luggage on that one.

 
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 Occam Bandage  (1000+ posts)     Sun Aug-17-08 12:33 PM
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24. They'd be perfectly allowed.


 
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 Idealist Hippie  (1000+ posts)       Sun Aug-17-08 01:07 PM
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31. I am glad you feel so perfectly assured of this perfection, Dr. Pangloss. 
 Must be a lovely, lovely world that you live in.   


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 Occam Bandage  (1000+ posts)     Sun Aug-17-08 01:08 PM
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32. Do you have a link to
 absolutely anything suggesting that any members of any religion have had their religious materials confiscated by the Federal government?


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 Idealist Hippie  (1000+ posts)       Sun Aug-17-08 01:18 PM
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40. That link would probably be found in Aljazeera or Asia Times or other sites
 that I do not regularly read, so no. Our U.S. media would certainly not cover such a story if/when it occurred. 

 :rotf:  No, but it's true anyway!!   :rotf: :rotf:
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Re: Chinese confiscating bibles: place your bets
« Reply #4 on: August 17, 2008, 12:42:53 PM »
And again...

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Occam Bandage  (1000+ posts)     Sun Aug-17-08 12:34 PM
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25. Of course. The problem is that China bans proselytization.

 
 
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 Idealist Hippie  (1000+ posts)       Sun Aug-17-08 01:09 PM
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35. The problem is that proselytizers exist. imnsho. nt. 


 
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 Occam Bandage  (1000+ posts)     Sun Aug-17-08 01:12 PM
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37. I'm not one to applaud government restriction of speech and thought,
 no matter how much I disagree with the thoughts and words in question.



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 Idealist Hippie  (1000+ posts)       Sun Aug-17-08 01:15 PM
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38. No one I know of on this board is applauding government restriction
 of speech and/or thought, so I cannot determine what you think you're talking about.

 
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 Occam Bandage  (1000+ posts)     Sun Aug-17-08 01:25 PM
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45. So you take the side of the proselytizers, then? 
 That doesn't seem to square with the tone of your previous statement. Usually people don't claim the people they agree with are "the problem," to the exclusion of the people they disagree with.

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Idealist Hippie is currently cleaning egg off his/her face.  What a dunce!!   :rotf:
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Re: Chinese confiscating bibles: place your bets
« Reply #5 on: August 17, 2008, 02:30:17 PM »
I bet he's still scratching his head MrsSmith!!

That occam guy is pretty funny sometimes.
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Re: Chinese confiscating bibles: place your bets
« Reply #6 on: August 17, 2008, 02:39:54 PM »
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TexasObserver  (1000+ posts)         Sun Aug-17-08 11:11 AM
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11. ugh
   Religious zealots are like flies. They eat shit and they bother people.

I'm guessing the Chinese communists would not be well received if they arrived in Anytown, USA with a gross of Mao's Little Red Book and wanted to hand them out on the town square.

Unless the town square is also the town airport and it is US customs official not receiving them "well", you analogy sucks about as bad as you do, TexasObtuser.

Besides, you can find Mao's little red book in library's all over the US.....no big deal. :loser:
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Re: Chinese confiscating bibles: place your bets
« Reply #7 on: August 17, 2008, 07:21:14 PM »
Their country, their rules.

It is pretty arrogant for people to come in and figure the rules do not apply to them.

Our opinion on the rules must be dealt with at the political level.

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Re: Chinese confiscating bibles: place your bets
« Reply #8 on: August 17, 2008, 07:41:14 PM »
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NNN0LHI  (1000+ posts)      Sun Aug-17-08 11:10 AM
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9. Remember when the US used to raise all kinds of hell about priests being imprisoned in China?
 Edited on Sun Aug-17-08 11:10 AM by NNN0LHI
I think we have more priests in prison for various things than they do now so we don't bring that up any more.

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Yup. the religious right wing government has been oppressing th religious right...oh...what?

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Zhade  (1000+ posts)      Sun Aug-17-08 08:22 PM
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133. Since there's no right to proselytization, I'm fine with that.
 People have a right to believe what they wish, but there is NO corollary right to foist their religion onto others.

All those rights the left keeps finding and that isn't one of them?

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TexasObserver  (1000+ posts)       Sun Aug-17-08 12:04 PM
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20. They'd [edit: muslims bringing koran's into USA]  be arrested and deported, if not sent to GITMO.
 your fantasy of freedom in America notwithstanding


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TheGoldenRule  (1000+ posts)       Sun Aug-17-08 04:10 PM
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83. I would LOVE IT if it was illegal to proselytize. I am sick of the fundies and what their crazy
 views have done to this country. Sorry, but the minute your rights infringe on my rights, your rights get kicked to the curb. And if you don't like that, too damn bad.

I will answer your biased question this way: If foreigners came to the U.S. with boxes of any religious material, I would NOT have a problem with the g'ment seizing their propaganda. Especially if those people were NOT citizens or legal residents of this country.


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Re: Chinese confiscating bibles: place your bets
« Reply #9 on: August 17, 2008, 10:46:47 PM »
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the minute your rights infringe on my rights, your rights get kicked to the curb. And if you don't like that, too damn bad

You've got to wonder what "right" is infringed by proselytizing?  His right to be ignorant?   Is that listed in the BOR??  :lmao:
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Re: Chinese confiscating bibles: place your bets
« Reply #10 on: August 17, 2008, 11:15:13 PM »
Quote from: Bondai on August 17, 2008, 02:39:54 PM
Quote from: Lord Undies on August 17, 2008, 10:19:36 AM
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TexasObserver  (1000+ posts)         Sun Aug-17-08 11:11 AM
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11. ugh
   Religious zealots are like flies. They eat shit and they bother people.

I'm guessing the Chinese communists would not be well received if they arrived in Anytown, USA with a gross of Mao's Little Red Book and wanted to hand them out on the town square.

Unless the town square is also the town airport and it is US customs official not receiving them "well", you analogy sucks about as bad as you do, TexasObtuser.

Besides, you can find Mao's little red book in library's all over the US.....no big deal. :loser:
It is required reading for all commie 'rats.
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Re: Chinese confiscating bibles: place your bets
« Reply #11 on: August 18, 2008, 01:17:34 AM »
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TheGoldenRule  (1000+ posts)       Sun Aug-17-08 04:10 PM
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83. I would LOVE IT if it was illegal to proselytize. I am sick of the fundies and what their crazy
 views have done to this country. Sorry, but the minute your rights infringe on my rights, your rights get kicked to the curb. And if you don't like that, too damn bad.

I will answer your biased question this way: If foreigners came to the U.S. with boxes of any religious material, I would NOT have a problem with the g'ment seizing their propaganda. Especially if those people were NOT citizens or legal residents of this country.

You douchebags sure do live in your own little world, don't you?  Tell me, how exactly do Christian missionaries who preach to willing participants "infringe" on your rights?  Where is the law written that requires you to be a Christian, or practice any faith at all?  Who came to your house and threatened you with imprisonment and / or grievous bodily harm if you refuse to recite the Our Father three times a day and pay a tribute to the church?  C'mon, douchebag, I'm really dying to know.  Who's "forcing" religon on you?  Is it the same guy who's trampling your reproductive rights by requiring you to get pregnant by law?   :bs:  :bs:  :bs:

I would LOVE IT for it to be illegal to post unpatriotic and unchristian thoughts.  I'm sick of godless lefties and what their Stalinist ideas have done to my country.  The minute your unchristian and unpatriotic words infringe upon my rights, Christian police squads should kick down your doors and drag you away.  They should forcefully dunk your head in holy water and baptize you by any means necessary.  And tattoo a cross on your forehead.  And if you don't like it, tough shit. 

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