TEB gets tapped on the foot

[BattleHymn]

https://www.democraticunderground.com/1018983679

Sat Sep 2, 2017, 03:02 PM
TEB (1,165 posts)

I wonder if public education made it mandatory to have a course in government


As in how it is supposed to work , would people be more in tune with how GOP is screwing them. , I just had to give my future sister in law a crash course in government. How congress and senate are out to destroy every social safety net. Obama and fdr put in place ,And how bob mueller is a republican himself and no he is not on a witch hunt I added I respect him usmc infantry plt leader a public servant for decades he seems to be honorable ,I also had to explain in seeking help from a foreign enemy is bad to help gain the White House. ? Was Fox News blaming the dems for rising fuel prices since Harvey. She started mentioning this over lunch she said well gas is going up thanks to the EPA , and I am confused it was a civil discussion . My wife tapped my foot under table as in just drop it.

Sat Sep 2, 2017, 03:04 PM
Star Member Turbineguy (23,825 posts)
1. Which is excactly why good republicans

don't want kids to learn how it's supposed to work.

Sat Sep 2, 2017, 04:09 PM
Star Member The Velveteen Ocelot (54,032 posts)
6. Many high schools have, or at least used to have, a course

that covered that material - it might have been called Civics, or Social Studies, or something along those lines. The problem with high school courses is that when you're 16 or 17 a lot of the stuff presented in school can go in one ear and out the other. I know I can't remember much of what was taught in that course because at the time I wasn't very interested; I had to re-learn it much later.

[Mary Ann]

Back in the stone age I had high school civics.

I learned about how the Electoral College worked, and why it was included in the Constitution.

I learned about separation of powers, and checks and balances.

I learned that treaties have to be approved by the Senate, and calling a "treaty" an "agreement" shouldn't be enough to get around the Constitution.

I learned about what powers the Constitution delegates to the President, and that all other powers are retained by the states.

I learned about the limits to governmental powers, and how that empowers the people.

Darn shame that Hillary, Obama, FDR, and the DUmmies apparently never had a competent civics teacher.

[Old n Grumpy]

How congress and senate are out to destroy every social safety net. Obama and fdr put in place

What social safety net did obama put in place?
obama care? it ruined the health insurance industry and health care.
DACA, it is unconstitutional EO to take jobs from Americans.
Shovel ready jobs that weren't shovel ready?
BLM, supporting a bunch of racist lies.
8 Trillion of out $$ pissed away.
That is some legacy.

[Drafe Hoblin]

? Was Fox News blaming the dems for rising fuel prices since Harvey.

pssst... The question-mark is placed after the question.

Now, what were you saying about public-education again? 

[SVPete]

TEB (1,165 posts)

I wonder if public education made it mandatory to have a course in government

As in how it is supposed to work , would people be more in tune with how GOP is screwing them. , I just had to give my future sister in law a crash course in government. How congress and senate are out to destroy

Back in the stone age I had high school civics.

I learned about how the Electoral College worked, and why it was included in the Constitution.

I learned about separation of powers, and checks and balances.

I learned that treaties have to be approved by the Senate, and calling a "treaty" an "agreement" shouldn't be enough to get around the Constitution.

I learned about what powers the Constitution delegates to the President, and that all other powers are retained by the states.

I learned about the limits to governmental powers, and how that empowers the people.

Darn shame that Hillary, Obama, FDR, and the DUmmies apparently never had a competent civics teacher.

Your "problem" Mary Ann is that you learned how the US government was designed to work and do, regardless of the ideologies of the day. What TEB wants is a class that indoctrinates kids - more than Civics teachers already do, surreptitiously - in his/her ideology, regardless of how government was designed to do. The degree to which teachers and school districts already do this, and not just in Civics, is one of the primary reasons - NOT racism, contrary to Libs' & Progs' slanderous narrative - for the 4 or 5 decades of phenomenal growth of private campus schools and homeschooling.

Fixed a typo.

[FunkyZero]

https://www.democraticunderground.com/1018983679

Funny thing, that is...  because we had "government" class in high school, called "civics". And we learned a lot... and it helped me very much to understand that primitives DON'T.
Now, I don't know if this is one of those "million monkeys writing Shakespeare" incidents or not, but I almost understood what he said in this post for the most part... and as usual, you can't tell a DUmpass from a troll. Call out educating people about US government so they better understand it, then champion the efforts of 2 socialists in the very next breath.
Geez...

[SVPete]

Funny thing, that is...  because we had "government" class in high school, called "civics". And we learned a lot... and it helped me very much to understand that primitives DON'T.
Now, I don't know if this is one of those "million monkeys writing Shakespeare" incidents or not, but I almost understood what he said in this post for the most part... and as usual, you can't tell a DUmpass from a troll. Call out educating people about US government so they better understand it, then champion the efforts of 2 socialists in the very next breath.
Geez...

I found The Velveteen Ocelot's post humorous and refreshingly honest:

6. Many high schools have, or at least used to have, a course

that covered that material - it might have been called Civics, or Social Studies, or something along those lines. The problem with high school courses is that when you're 16 or 17 a lot of the stuff presented in school can go in one ear and out the other. I know I can't remember much of what was taught in that course because at the time I wasn't very interested; I had to re-learn it much later.

I don't know where TVO lives, but 1960s-1970s California required teaching the US Constitution as part of 8th Grade American History, with a pass-it-or-don't-graduate-from-8th-Grade Constitution test. American History was mandatory in High School, and for Seniors US Government was a mandatory single-semester class. How rigorous this all is nowadays, I don't know (and am afraid to find out), but those classes were not "easy A's".

I've long joked about DU-grade Progs having skipped, smoked dope, or done girls or guys instead of paying attention in those classes. It's nice to have some confirmation of my joke/guess. My skills at cynicism, sarcasm, and hyperbole are routinely exceeded by DU-folk.

[FunkyZero]

I found The Velveteen Ocelot's post humorous and refreshingly honest:

I don't know where TVO lives, but 1960s-1970s California required teaching the US Constitution as part of 8th Grade American History, with a pass-it-or-don't-graduate-from-8th-Grade Constitution test. American History was mandatory in High School, and for Seniors US Government was a mandatory single-semester class. How rigorous this all is nowadays, I don't know (and am afraid to find out), but those classes were not "easy A's".

I've long joked about DU-grade Progs having skipped, smoked dope, or done girls or guys instead of paying attention in those classes. It's nice to have some confirmation of my joke/guess. My skills at cynicism, sarcasm, and hyperbole are routinely exceeded by DU-folk.

We had an excellent teacher in civics and government when I was in high school. Of course it was VERY dry reading for a teenager, but he actually managed to make it fun. We did mock congress, things of that nature in 2 groups.. democrat v/s republican, of course. And he made it funny.
Study of The Constitution was a little bit lacking though, at least in my school. I guess it's become too much of a legal bowl of spaghetti to make it through in one or 2 semesters... I dunno.
Also, being in FFA, we became intimately familiar with parliamentary operations and procedure... which was kindof a nice thing to pickup, even though it was FFA class.
I consider that class, as much as people dig on it, one of the most valuable life classes I had. I can ID soil, soil problems, ID about any tree at a glance via foilage or cut samples, weld, rebuild engines, troubleshoot a diesel fuel inj system... all kinds of stuff. Prob not much use for city folks I suppose, but almost basic survival stuff for your average rural Joe.

[Mary Ann]

You "problem" Mary Ann is that you learned how the US government was designed to work and do, regardless of the ideologies of the day. What TEB wants is a class that indoctrinates kids - more than Civics teachers already do, surreptitiously - in his/her ideology, regardless of how government was designed to do. The degree to which teachers and school districts already do this, and not just in Civics, is one of the primary reasons - NOT racism, contrary to Libs' & Progs' slanderous narrative - for the 4 or 5 decades of phenomenal growth of private campus schools and homeschooling.

I just don't understand. Do today's teachers still use, or even refer to the Constitution, and then say, "Forget all that, what the evil slaveholders who founded this country REALLY meant was take from the 'haves' and give to the 'have nots,' since we want to be a fair country?" How can you teach anything other than Constitutional principles in a class about US government?

I'm kind of old, so I just have a real problem dealing with new things.

[SVPete]

I just don't understand. Do today's teachers still use, or even refer to the Constitution, and then say, "Forget all that, what the evil slaveholders who founded this country REALLY meant was take from the 'haves' and give to the 'have nots,' since we want to be a fair country?" How can you teach anything other than Constitutional principles in a class about US government?

I'm kind of old, so I just have a real problem dealing with new things.

We homeschooled our kids, so I don't know how teachers who inject their ideology into teaching the USC do it. OTOH, through our kids' experience with JC American History courses, I know profs who harness the courses to their ideology basically make their ideology the filter through which they present the history to students. My son had a prof who taught using what I now know is called "Critical Race Theory", which uses race victimology as the filter. An example would be a snark the prof made while talking about WW2 to the effect that General Eisenhower was only half a Nazi because he was only half German. My son walked out of the class at that point.

Pretty much anything is possible when you look at History through some ideological lens - liberal or conservative - rather than letting events and people speak for themselves.

[Ralph Wiggum]

We had two semesters of government classes in high school.  One teacher was a flaming lib, but we still learned the Constitution.  Baffles me what must be taught anymore.

[Mary Ann]

We homeschooled our kids, so I don't know how teachers who inject their ideology into teaching the USC do it. OTOH, through our kids' experience with JC American History courses, I know profs who harness the courses to their ideology basically make their ideology the filter through which they present the history to students. My son had a prof who taught using what I now know is called "Critical Race Theory", which uses race victimology as the filter. An example would be a snark the prof made while talking about WW2 to the effect that General Eisenhower was only half a Nazi because he was only half German. My son walked out of the class at that point.

Pretty much anything is possible when you look at History through some ideological lens - liberal or conservative - rather than letting events and people speak for themselves.

Years ago my younger son took a community college course in which the prof blamed all the ills of modern-day America on Ronald Reagan's tax cuts. My son had just read one of Rush's books and raised his hand and told him that tax revenue had actually increased after the tax cuts. IIRC, the prof said that was because of all the CEO's bonuses, or some such irrelevant crap. Son raised his hand again and made another point. Prof responded equally irrelevantly. Son raised his hand again. Prof refused to call on him.

Son is still conservative, but not nearly as much, since graduating from a liberal arts college with a philosophy degree.

[SVPete]

Years ago my younger son took a community college course in which the prof blamed all the ills of modern-day America on Ronald Reagan's tax cuts. My son had just read one of Rush's books and raised his hand and told him that tax revenue had actually increased after the tax cuts. IIRC, the prof said that was because of all the CEO's bonuses, or some such irrelevant crap. Son raised his hand again and made another point. Prof responded equally irrelevantly. Son raised his hand again. Prof refused to call on him.

Son is still conservative, but not nearly as much, since graduating from a liberal arts college with a philosophy degree.

Libs don't want to acknowledge that high tax rates drive people into low-risk, low-profit investment activities, and thereby decrease tax revenues. When tax rates are lower, people are more willing to assume risk, have higher profits, and end up paying more $$ in taxes due to the higher profits. Libs and Progs just want Screw-Rich-People high tax rates - image over substance. They think they can wring more $$ out of "rich" people without those "rich" people having higher profits, as if those "rich" people won't change their behavior in response.