Ban the Open Carry of Firearms

[dutch508]

Star Member SecularMotion (7,939 posts) https://www.democraticunderground.com/1172204561

Ban the Open Carry of Firearms


When militia members and white supremacists descended on Charlottesville, Va., last Saturday with Nazi flags and racist placards, many of them also carried firearms openly, including semiautomatic weapons.

{edit by dutch} OK, Stop. You are an idiot because it is clear you know nothing about firearms. When other guns did they carry, prey tell? Flintlocks? Single Action Colt .45 revolvers? ****ing Dumbass.


 They came to intimidate and terrify protesters and the police. If you read reports of the physical attacks they abetted, apparently their plan worked.

They might try to rationalize their conduct as protected by the First and Second Amendments, but let’s not be fooled. Those who came to Charlottesville openly carrying firearms were neither conveying a nonviolent political message, nor engaged in self-defense nor protecting hearth and home.

Plain and simple, public terror is not protected under the Constitution. That has been the case throughout history. And now is the time to look to that history and prohibit open carry, before the next Charlottesville.

Historically, lawmakers have deemed open carry a threat to public safety. Under English common law,

{edit by dutch} I don't know why i have to explain this too you, but US Code is not English Common Law. At All.


a group of armed protesters constituted a riot, and some American colonies prohibited public carry specifically because it caused public terror. During Reconstruction, the military governments overseeing much of the South responded to racially motivated terror (including the murder of dozens of freedmen and Republicans at the 1866 Louisiana Constitutional Convention) by prohibiting public carry either generally or at political gatherings and polling places. Later, in 1886, a Supreme Court decision, Presser v. Illinois, upheld a law forbidding groups of men to “parade with arms in cities and towns unless authorized.” For states, such a law was “necessary to the public peace, safety and good order.”

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/08/17/opinion/open-carry-charlottesville.html

Those laws have been overturned a long time ago, you ****ing drooling idiot.

Star Member bullimiami (8,915 posts)
2. Ban them all.

 

EL34x4 (1,694 posts)
13. It wasn't just white supremacists and nazis who were armed at Charlottesville.

true

Star Member SecularMotion (7,939 posts)
14. Sounds like something Trump would say

EL34x4 (1,694 posts)
15. And if he said it, he would be correct.

Personally, I think it's a wonderful photo and about time that more progressives embrace our Second Amendment and our Constitutional right to lawfully open carry.

linked to photo of leftists carrying guns.

Star Member SecularMotion (7,939 posts)
16. Civil Liberties Body ACLU Will No Longer Defend Gun-Carrying Protest Groups

Star Member SecularMotion (7,939 posts)
20. Their argument against using the no-fly watchlist is that the system is broken.

They are not arguing against using a "watchlist system as a starting point for regulating guns" in every case.

That’s why we have argued that if the government chooses to blacklist people, the standards it uses must be appropriately narrow, the information it relies on must be accurate and credible, and its use of watchlists must be consistent with the presumption of innocence and the right to due process.

Star Member SecularMotion (7,939 posts)
22. I agree with the position of the ACLU

if the government chooses to blacklist people, the standards it uses must be appropriately narrow, the information it relies on must be accurate and credible, and its use of watchlists must be consistent with the presumption of innocence and the right to due process.


As far as New Jersey, from the article you've linked to there seems to be disagreement whether NJ even has access to the list and if they do it may only be in use to screen permits and purchases. I can't tell from the article if the list is being used to deny permits or purchases on that basis only.

Tortue (5 posts)
26. To all my "retrumplican before country" brethren

Can we agree that the brandishing of firearms during a "freedom march" is akin to yelling or using all caps when debating/defending your point of view?

Not sorry here, but did I use too many complicated words, like brandishing?

Like that ding-dang wordy-ass, entirely reasonable Democratic platform you just can't wrap yer two brain cells around?

We get it MAGA head, we know how you got suckered, you're loud and proud. ROLL COAL MF!!

You won't suffer the immediate consequences of your choices, but your kids and grandkids will. Think about it.

For now, you got nuthin' to fear, until the Grand Knight of the tiny Orange Cuck is vilified by, oh wait, that don't make no sense, Britebart Newz? It's so confusing, I know.
It's a-coming.
Wayyyyt for it, wayyyyyyt for it....

And, by all means, paleeeze! Keep your faces in the news! Be loud! Be proud! Just remember, you're not wrecking OUR lives. We know how to rebuild a nation. We've done before, and we'll do it again.
But, trust me, you are so ****ed, forever.

BTW - Loved all them camo outfits in Charlottesville, in 1080p.
Some idiot media folks were not sure if you were National Guard.
However, ninety nine point nine percent of us weren't confused.
Situational awareness/intel gathering isn't a state secret.
Keep that in mind.

And to you mommy/daddy/female/fill in the blank... starved, Nazi golf shirt tRumpa-likes Get some ****ing counseling while you can. Life is much longer than than your sorry ass, drooling Pavlovian response mechanisms can handle at your stunted developmental stage.

Finally, with all the tenderness, understanding and forgiveness that this nuclear threatened child of the Eisenhower/Kennedy/Johnson era can offer you in these trying circumstances, let me say with all sincerity, that these ****ing neo-nazis, white supremacists, subversive militias and their questionably elected republican enablers are not welcome in our future.

I will fight to protect the future for my family from these criminals.

Carry on.
Over.
Definitely not out.

T

OOOOOoooooo.... new DUmpmonkie is internet badass. 

[thundley4]

If you read reports of the physical attacks they abetted, apparently their plan worked.

Lying sack of shit. 

The police did little to stop the bloodshed. Several times, a group of assault-rifle-toting militia members from New York State, wearing body armor and desert camo, played a more active role in breaking up fights.

  http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2017/08/police-stood-by-as-mayhem-mounted-in-charlottesville/

DUmmies would like to ignore that fact. 

[hillneck]

Tortue (5 posts)
26. To all my "retrumplican before country" brethren.  Can we agree that the brandishing of firearms during a "freedom march" is akin to yelling or using all caps when debating/defending your point of view?

Not sorry here, but did I use too many complicated words, like brandishing?

OK there you little DUmpmonkey.  You are awful brave and full of yourself in the echo chamber of Skin's Island, were you know debate is not allowed.  It hasn't been decided whether you are a new idiot that has found cretin island or a mole trying to obtain DU street cred, time will tell.  If you truly want to discuss issues come on over here, where if you act like a human being you will not be banned.  So one of you trolling DU idiots swim on back over to the island and deliver the message.   

[SVPete]

The police did little to stop the bloodshed. Several times, a group of assault-rifle-toting militia members from New York State, wearing body armor and desert camo, played a more active role in breaking up fights.

Lying sack of shit. 
  http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2017/08/police-stood-by-as-mayhem-mounted-in-charlottesville/

DUmmies would like to ignore that fact.

I believe the militia group - 32 of them - were from PA rather than NY, but other than that Mother Jones mag got it right. And that militia group came to try prevent violence, not threaten or foment it.

Not that facts matter on DU.

[Old n Grumpy]

We need to ban people showing up in public places wearing body armor and masks to cover their faces.

[DumbAss Tanker]

Frankly I thing open carry is unnecessarily provocative and pretty much a bad idea, but I am nonetheless for the right because it prevents gun owners from being arrested on pretexts for just being in the wrong place at the wrong time and meeting the wrong cop.

[Old n Grumpy]

Frankly I thing open carry is unnecessarily provocative and pretty much a bad idea, but I am nonetheless for the right because it prevents gun owners from being arrested on pretexts for just being in the wrong place at the wrong time and meeting the wrong cop.

I agree, it is a little over the top, specially in instances like going to a protest.

[franksolich]

You know, I wonder if anyone besides me has noticed this predominant characteristic of primitives posting original topics.

They never say, "should we discuss?" or "how about doing this?" or "I think we should....."

It's always just a straight--and very bossy--declaration, such as "jail Donald Trump today!" or "repeal the Second Amendment!" or "make practicing a religion a felony!" or "legalize marijuana now!" or somesuch.

It's as if they're addressing some sort of entity who cares about what the primitives think.

[Old n Grumpy]

They don'r seem to understand that the dump is an echo chamber, there are no opposing views allowed. It is just one dopey hater talking to a group of dopey haters.

[Maverick1987]

It was well known for quite some time that there would be a sizable and aggressive counter-protest.  That is the sole reason for both the frequency of persons carrying weapons and the open displays; a FACT the DUmmies will never acknowledge. 

[hillneck]

They don'r seem to understand that the dump is an echo chamber, there are no opposing views allowed. It is just one dopey hater talking to a group of dopey haters.

Even if you're a different leftist hater group you will get banned.  There will be no discussion unless the hive approves.

[SVPete]

It was well known for quite some time that there would be a sizable and aggressive counter-protest.  That is the sole reason for both the frequency of persons carrying weapons and the open displays; a FACT the DUmmies will never acknowledge.

That was the reason the militia group fro PA was called in by VA people. They knew that with a D Mayor and a D Governor, the city and state police would probably be deployed and given orders so as to make them ineffective in preventing violence.

[Old n Grumpy]

That was the reason the militia group fro PA was called in by VA people. They knew that with a D Mayor and a D Governor, the city and state police would probably be deployed and given orders so as to make them ineffective in preventing violence.

With the proven violence of the left I would agree to clubs, pepper spray and stun guns. Non lethal devices to neutralize the antifa agitators. But guns are a different story, all you need is one lefty trying to grab a gun or one going off accidentally and you have a disaster.

If the people there to protect the peaceful protestors wade into the ones disrupting and break some bones and beat the crap out of some others to discourage them from participating in future anarchist events it is a positive outcome. If they can also unmask and photograph some of them so they are no longer anonymous it would also make some of them less willing to participate.

Unfortunately in my opinion the only way to put an end to this is to meet their violence with more violence.

[thundley4]

Frankly I thing open carry is unnecessarily provocative and pretty much a bad idea, but I am nonetheless for the right because it prevents gun owners from being arrested on pretexts for just being in the wrong place at the wrong time and meeting the wrong cop.

Illinois has some seriously messed up gun laws. If you have a CCW permit, the gun must be on your person even while driving if you are carrying. No putting it under the seat or in the console or glovebox.  The only alternative to that is following the regular gun transportation laws of having the gun emptied and out of reach of the driver and in a case with ammo in a separate case.

[DumbAss Tanker]

Illinois has some seriously messed up gun laws. If you have a CCW permit, the gun must be on your person even while driving if you are carrying. No putting it under the seat or in the console or glovebox.  The only alternative to that is following the regular gun transportation laws of having the gun emptied and out of reach of the driver and in a case with ammo in a separate case.

I avoid traveling there as much as humanly possible.