Big Mo won't feed the trolls

[franksolich]

https://www.democraticunderground.com/11517401

Hmmmm.

<<<wonders who the jerk is, who's trolling Big Mo.

<<<suspects this is Big Mo's son.

mopinko (49,757 posts)     Tue Aug 22, 2017, 10:06 PM

what would you say to someone who refuses meds?

wont fill in many details here, but feel free to pm me if you want details,

BUT, what would you say to someone totally in need of some meds who think big pharma is a conspiracy, and all the mass shooters were on psychotropic meds.

dont want to feed the trolls w any clues as to this persons identity or relation to me. but know this is a central problem in all of mental health care.

She with the face like Hindenberg's, the defrocked warped primitive:

Warpy (95,519 posts)      Tue Aug 22, 2017, 10:21 PM

2. The problem is that some really distorted thinking goes on

once psych drugs have worn off. It used to be recognized that seriously ill people didn't have the capacity to make rational decisions about their health care and they'd be involuntarily committed until they were stabilized on drugs.

The problem is that there are a lot of very good reasons for a rational decision to go off psych meds. The side effects are often horrific, worse than being so afraid they won't accept a sandwich from an outreach group but will pick it out of a trash can later if there's a bite taken out of it. Most of our drugs just aren't very good, especially for psychosis.

Unfortunately, civil liberties lawyers have stuck us with a very narrow definition of "danger to oneself or others." Unless you can persuade this person to give it a trial for a couple of weeks, your hands are legally tied unless there is a credible threat of violence, either to you or the person him/herself. And then it's very risky to call the cops for assistance and even if you only call an ambulance, they'll show up too. ERs won't be terribly helpful, either, since they've got the same restriction you do. Our jails are the mental hospital of last resort and no one gets treatment in them.

Those aren't cracks the mentally ill are falling through, they're chasms.

dixiegrrrrl (51,209 posts)      Tue Aug 22, 2017, 10:24 PM

3. You most likely know this, but invol. 72 hour MH hold is available on some states.

It's only for those who might harm selves or someone else.

I have been involved with system for a number of years.

The most serious problem with someone who is off meds AND acting a bit out of control, is when the police are called. That has an often fatal result.

mopinko (49,757 posts)     Wed Aug 23, 2017, 09:09 AM

9. been there, done that.

the cops here are pretty well trained for that stuff, and very patient.

left w a script they wont take, and referrals they wont call.

Phoenix61 (2,476 posts)    Tue Aug 22, 2017, 10:46 PM

5. Their mental health professional needs to know that

See if you can get the person to call. Their therapist may be able to encourage them to take their meds or suggest alternative medication. There are so many different ones and they all have different side effects. Sadly, there really isn't a lot you can do.

mopinko (49,757 posts)     Wed Aug 23, 2017, 09:05 AM         

8. wont do that, either.

No Vested Interest (3,783 posts)      Wed Aug 23, 2017, 02:40 AM

7. A friend said to me, when I complained of having to take meds, " We are so lucky to have them."

My friend is so wise , and so correct in this instance.

Fifty-to-sixty years ago, meds, especially psychotropic drugs, were in their infancy.

Up until then, from the dawn of history, people, and their families, just suffered when they had a medical imbalance.

Now, treatment is available, perhaps not for all disorders, perhaps not permanent fixes, but what a relief it is to be rid of the suffering so relatively easily, at least compared to the days before meds were available.

[Old n Grumpy]

mopinko (49,757 posts)     Tue Aug 22, 2017, 10:06 PM

what would you say to someone who refuses meds?

Nothing, call the FEMA camp and have them send the short bus.

[thundley4]

BUT, what would you say to someone totally in need of some meds who think big pharma is a conspiracy, and all the mass shooters were on psychotropic meds.

It's true most of them were on some medication for craziness of one type or another. Equally true that most of them were liberals of one form or another.

[SVPete]

Q/ How many shrinks does it take to change a light bulb?

A/ Just one, But the light bulb has to want to change.

One of Libs' great "victories" in the 1960s and 1970s was making it almost impossible to get someone involuntarily committed. Such a person would have to be utterly out of control delusional 24x7. Otherwise they can act mostly normal when they have to - before doctors & judges - and stay free. So mo-mo's friend/relative/something-or-other can refuse to take meds until they are so far gone they can no longer fake sanity when necessary to stay free. It's very sad, but being a Lib, mo-mo and Libs need to

[USA4ME]

mopinko

dont want to feed the trolls w any clues as to this persons identity or relation to me.

It could be anyone you know who's a liberal. You're all a bunch of mentally ill freaks.

.

[SVPete]

It could be anyone you know who's a liberal. You're all a bunch of mentally ill freaks.

Could even be one of mo-mo's other personalities, .

[67 Rover]

Could even be one of mo-mo's other personalities, .

MY guess is the one she dropped on her head while high.

[beefeater]

Warpy (95,519 posts)      Tue Aug 22, 2017, 10:21 PM
(snip)
Unfortunately, civil liberties lawyers have stuck us with a very narrow definition of "danger to oneself or others.

The Warped one forgets that the DUmmies are supposed to blame President Ronald Reagan for emptying the insane asylums not the ACLU

Bad form Warp