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Stein, Sarandon, Cornel West and their ilk own this.
« on: June 01, 2017, 08:20:42 PM »
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Chevy (854 posts) https://www.democraticunderground.com/10029145318

Stein, Sarandon, Cornel West and their ilk own this.

This is on them and their lesser of two evils crap.. May they rot in hell.

Yup. More love from the Democratic Nationalist Clinton party...

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6000eliot (5,421 posts)
38. Those outsiders encouraged voting for Stein, which tipped the scales in Trump's favor.

And yes, I DO blame them. **** them.

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Star Member George II (21,590 posts)
124. Too bad their voices were encouraging people to vote for someone other than Clinton.

The Clinton party really wants to let the blood flow... literally...

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Star Member ehrnst (6,811 posts)
117. Right. She did win. Remember? It was stolen.

Ignoring what really happened won't get our party anywhere - least of all anywhere progressive.

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Star Member ehrnst (6,811 posts)
149. I'm not so sure we lost Michigan and Wisconsin

Evidence seems to negate the argument that Democrats didn't get the message out.

http://www.cosmopolitan.com/politics/a8489128/michigan-recount-first-hand-account/

https://www.thenation.com/article/wisconsins-voter-id-law-suppressed-200000-votes-trump-won-by-23000/


Kushner's "Project Alamo"

"To compensate for this, Trump’s campaign has devised another strategy, which, not surprisingly, is negative. Instead of expanding the electorate, Bannon and his team are trying to shrink it. “We have three major voter suppression operations under way,” says a senior official. They’re aimed at three groups Clinton needs to win overwhelmingly: idealistic white liberals, young women, and African Americans."

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-10-27/inside-the-trump-bunker-with-12-days-to-go


... wait... what? You didn't lose those three states? what?

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SMC22307 (3,104 posts)
179. Currently, PA/MI/WI 46 and NC/FL 44. Still not enough.

In North Carolina, Obama barely beat McCain in 2008, then lost to Romney in 2012 by about 2%. Trump beat Hillary by almost 4%. The state isn't a given, but it's worth pursuing.

Florida voted for Obama twice, but chose Trump over Hillary. Why? Why does DU trash the Rust Belt and not Florida?

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Star Member ehrnst (6,811 posts)
173. Yes, and voter suppression directed to key states delivered the WH to DT.

Favorable investigation reports will reinforce that she was undermined in ways no other candidate was and STILL got the vote.

That's why many who are angry she won the nomination are trying to downplay them. They don't support the political aspirations of people who depend on her having lost the election fair and square...

In case you missed these links earlier:

https://medium.com/startup-grind/how-the-trump-campaign-built-an-identity-database-and-used-facebook-ads-to-win-the-election-4ff7d24269ac

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2016/11/north-carolina-early-voting/506963/

Perhaps the reason that those states went to DT by the sliver that they did wasn't due to her being "the wrong candidate with the wrong message."

https://www.thenation.com/article/wisconsins-voter-id-law-suppressed-200000-votes-trump-won-by-23000/

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SMC22307 (3,104 posts)
130. Is she sitting in the White House?

We're all aware of her winning the popular vote... wasn't enough. And going forward, the Democratic party better understand that. The coasts are not enough!



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Star Member ehrnst (6,811 posts)
134. The White House was stolen, with the help of Russia, Comey and and very concerted (and in your case successful) campaign to divide the white, college educated left.

Going forward, the Democratic party better understand that listening to those whose message depends on a "we lost because the candidate you chose was the wrong one" depends on denying what actually happened, will be fatal.

Carpetbagging is what that is.

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Carpetbagging?

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Star Member ehrnst (6,811 posts)
176. Please don't be disingenuous.

As you are aware, I was pointing out that you seem to have been a target of successful misinformation. Don't ****ing accuse me of creating a straw man that you threw out there. This ain't my first rodeo, hon.

When someone doesn't have a place to pee, that's as important as economic issues. When a woman can't afford another child, and is forced to bear a child, that an economic issue. Is that clearer?

We don't get to 270 telling women, POC and LGBTQs that if an issue doesn't affect a white straight man, we're going to be "flexible" about it. That's going backwards - and it's based on a false narrative of what happened in the election that serves the political ambitions of a very few.

If Democrats abandon the vast majority of their base in some sort of misguided effort to appeal to the shrinking rust belt, no "revolution" will get us to 270. Deny that economic and social justice issues are absolutely intertwined - for the sake of the fragile white nationalist rust belt votes (who will stop listening and start screaming the minute you say "federal," god forbid "socialist") and you have not only lied, you have taken an axe to the arc of justice.

**** that and the horse it rode in on. Economic parity and universal health care coverage didn't eliminate misogyny, homophobia, xenophobia and nationalism in Europe, so forgive me if I don't buy that line of crap that says, "once white men are earning what they feel they should, they will magically be just fine with abortion, trans people using the bathroom, POC, and immigrants! I think that many self-labeled "true progressives" forget that the "halcyon days" of the American economy were built on keeping women and POC out of the good paying jobs. Forgive us if we are somewhat skeptical that simply getting trashing our social justice agenda in the hope of convincing some Confederate flag waving bigots to elect a bunch of neosocialist politicians will bring economic juju to the US, with none of the discrimination.

What makes Dems strong is our social justice accomplishments - even if the fragile white straight male ego feels left behind. The rest of us have been dealing with economic disparity issues for decades, and are now saying "WTF?" NOW you think it's unacceptable?

Talk about privilege....

everything that's wrong with the progressive left is in that post, folks...

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Star Member ehrnst (6,811 posts)
195. You can repeat it all you like...

But you cannot separate social justice issues from economics

Unless you are a tea partier or a neosocialist.

This realization of Sanders that his decades old view that social issues detract from economic issues is new. I guess that he finally listened to someone on this issue.

http://feministing.com/2017/04/23/no-bernie-theres-no-economic-justice-without-abortion-access/

http://www.politico.com/story/2016/11/bernie-sanders-democrats-identity-politics-231710

http://www.rawstory.com/2013/10/bernie-sanders-tells-ed-schultz-southern-democrats-are-tired-of-being-abandoned-by-the-party/

I'm from the deep midwest, thank you, so I am familiar with them, despite your straw man that I have a "fantasy that they're all anti-choice, racist homophobic assholes." That's called attacking a strawman, BTW...

I'm not the one who has to reach 270 in 2020. I think that pitting voters against each other in the service of a few who have some political ambitions to be built on trashing the social justice wing of the party won't accomplish it, especially here on DU.

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Star Member Demsrule86 (11,970 posts)
50. Our candidate was attacked both from the right and the left and demonized . We should have had her back. I don't want to hear any ****ing excuses...you vote for the candidate with the "D" next to his / her name. So **** every person who didn't do that...may your misery be ten fold because you have to live with what you did.

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certainot (3,879 posts)
135. what's really ****ed is we let 88 'liberal' universities support 257 limbaugh/trump stations

that do denial all day long.

those unis need to be protested for the absurd part they played in this

88 universities that help Republicans deny global warming and minimize protests

that's the only reason trump was even close and instead the left analyzes politics like studying fish without water, get their internet asses kicked by a few hundred ignorant think tank scripted assholes on 1000 radio stations and then they blame their reps for not being liberal enough etc.

or they blame a few people like sarandon, etc

trump STUDIED talk radio in 2014 according to gabe sherman april 3, 2016, and most of the anti hillary anti dem russian trolling was based on months and years of talk radio lies (benghazi, emails, clinton foundation), and dems don't even ****ing poll for it.

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Star Member Cha (198,719 posts)
132. 3rd party Liars are getting called out.

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4. Jill Stein's a Russian puppet too. Hopefully she sees the inside of a prison cell.

Don't forget, she was at the same table with Mike Flynn and Vladimir Putin - and she refused to release her tax returns.

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Star Member oasis (31,660 posts)
14. Not only 100% own it, they saw it coming.

 They can write themselves out of being part any serious political movements. By screwing over Hillary, they've screwed themselves.

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Star Member alcibiades_mystery (36,177 posts)
74. Stein's a Russian agent, Sarandon is a naive fool, and Cornel West is a fanatic

They cannot be un****ed.

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Star Member MFM008 (10,497 posts)
92. **** all of them

They are part of the reason we're in the shit hole with this pig we are in.

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Star Member apcalc (2,232 posts)
158. Stein was working with the Ruskies...

Rotting, stinking " progressive".....and I sure as hell blame ALSO the progressive purists..."so heavenly minded they are no earthly good"....

This is something new to me... Stein being a russian agent in ca-hOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOts with Trump to deny Hillary the crown...

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Re: Stein, Sarandon, Cornel West and their ilk own this.
« Reply #1 on: June 01, 2017, 09:11:10 PM »
Heh ......  oh, you poor i(D)iots.    :thatsright:  I can guarantee you that those three shifted absolutely ZERO votes to teh Donald.

None, retar(D)s.

If that trio of rocks could see the cankled criminal for what it is, then you need to re-evaluate your lives.  I suggest:



Go for it!

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158. Stein was working with the Ruskies...

Rotting, stinking " progressive".....and I sure as hell blame ALSO the progressive purists..."so heavenly minded they are no earthly good"....



I love it.  Go with that!
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Re: Stein, Sarandon, Cornel West and their ilk own this.
« Reply #2 on: June 01, 2017, 09:31:18 PM »
The primitives can't get over the bern-outs leaving them because they viewed hillary as a corporate whore. And to get back at them, they'll block the bern-outs from having any say and continue to nominate and give important party positions to "insider corporate whores", because that'll show those bern-outs. That'll shame them into returning to the fold.

It's just fun to sit back and watch.

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Re: Stein, Sarandon, Cornel West and their ilk own this.
« Reply #3 on: June 01, 2017, 10:03:53 PM »
This is like a nuclear melt down, they can hear the heads exploding all the way to Moscow!! :-) :-) :-) :-) :-)

Star Member ehrnst (6,811 posts) is really off the deep end. if they keep this rhetoric up by 2018 they won't be able to have a democratic dog catcher in chicago!! :rotf: :rotf: :rotf:

And the cherry on top is President Trump pulling us out of the Paris accord. Half of the liberals will be in a rubber room by tomorrow. :lmao: :lmao: :lmao: :lmao:

And don't forget libs, Stein ****ed you out of several million bucks for a recount!! :lmao: :lmao: :lmao: :lmao: :lmao: :lmao:
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Re: Stein, Sarandon, Cornel West and their ilk own this.
« Reply #4 on: June 01, 2017, 10:29:26 PM »
Time to get the radiation suits and iodine.
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Re: Stein, Sarandon, Cornel West and their ilk own this.
« Reply #5 on: June 01, 2017, 10:50:17 PM »
I'm sorry. I just got enough blood out of my turgid boner to regain conscious after PRESIDENT Trump kicking in the globalist and Obama's teeth in on the whole lie of AGW. Did I miss much?
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Re: Stein, Sarandon, Cornel West and their ilk own this.
« Reply #6 on: June 01, 2017, 11:00:40 PM »
I'm sorry. I just got enough blood out of my turgid boner to regain conscious after PRESIDENT Trump kicking in the globalist and Obama's teeth in on the whole lie of AGW. Did I miss much?

Well, all things considered, it's probably better for you if we don't say anything right now.  Hypoxia is nothing to screw around with.

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« Reply #7 on: June 02, 2017, 01:36:59 AM »
And to get back at them, they'll block the bern-outs from having any say and continue to nominate and give important party positions to "insider corporate whores", because that'll show those bern-outs. That'll shame them into returning to the fold.

Of course, I'm prejudiced on this, given that I loathe and detest Manny's self-centered narcissistic primitives more than I dislike Skins's mentally retarded primitives, but I think that's a good idea on the part of the latter.

I think that regular Democrats and Skins's primitives need to compel Manny's primitives, whenever they attempt to go back home, to rejoin the fold, to undergo apprentice membership in the Democrat party, with some regular Democrat being their sponsor or mentor or godfather to guide and instruct.

What choice, ultimately, do Manny's primitives have?  They're not going to join us, and there's no feasible third option.  They have to go back home, humble and contrite and repentent, as they've got nowhere to go.
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Re: Stein, Sarandon, Cornel West and their ilk own this.
« Reply #8 on: June 02, 2017, 04:03:09 AM »
Of course, I'm prejudiced on this, given that I loathe and detest Manny's self-centered narcissistic primitives more than I dislike Skins's mentally retarded primitives, but I think that's a good idea on the part of the latter.

I think that regular Democrats and Skins's primitives need to compel Manny's primitives, whenever they attempt to go back home, to rejoin the fold, to undergo apprentice membership in the Democrat party, with some regular Democrat being their sponsor or mentor or godfather to guide and instruct.

What choice, ultimately, do Manny's primitives have?  They're not going to join us, and there's no feasible third option.  They have to go back home, humble and contrite and repentent, as they've got nowhere to go.

The choice . . . They could continue to 'eat their own' and shoot (rhetorically, of course) each other . . . :whistling:
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Re: Stein, Sarandon, Cornel West and their ilk own this.
« Reply #9 on: June 02, 2017, 08:03:37 AM »
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I think that regular Democrats and Skins's primitives need to compel Manny's primitives, whenever they attempt to go back home, to rejoin the fold, to undergo apprentice membership in the Democrat party, with some regular Democrat being their sponsor or mentor or godfather to guide and instruct.

What choice, ultimately, do Manny's primitives have?  They're not going to join us, and there's no feasible third option.  They have to go back home, humble and contrite and repentent, as they've got nowhere to go.

Bernie-Progs have kind of painted themselves into a corner, and lock-step D Party loyalist have erected barricades around that corner. Going over to the Rs is unthinkable. Joining a third party is a broad path to nowhere. Threads like this - I think DU-folk are only a little more extreme than the D Party mainstream - show that returning to the D Party entails continual grovelling and staying in a dark corner into which the D Party will occasionally toss a well-gnawed bone.
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« Reply #10 on: June 02, 2017, 08:35:06 AM »
Bernie-Progs have kind of painted themselves into a corner, and lock-step D Party loyalist have erected barricades around that corner.

As Manny's primitives slowly amble back to Skins's island, their old home and where they really belong, I think it'd be good if Skins's primitives did erect some barriers, so as to show the gimme crowd that defection is serious business, and should have serious consequences.

My suggestion is, as a "price" for re-admission, the welcomed-back former primitives have to kiss either Widder (as in "widow") Nan's or Skins's ass; either one.
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Re: Stein, Sarandon, Cornel West and their ilk own this.
« Reply #11 on: June 02, 2017, 08:57:18 AM »
I think that regular Democrats and Skins's primitives need to compel Manny's primitives, whenever they attempt to go back home, to rejoin the fold, to undergo apprentice membership in the Democrat party, with some regular Democrat being their sponsor or mentor or godfather to guide and instruct

I see it more like the Soviet form of reeducation during the 1930s where Stalin either murdered or sent to camps some 90% of the military leadership... only to have desperately needed them in 1941 when Hitler invaded the USSR.

Take for example Konstantin Rokossovsky. Rokossovsky held senior commands until August 1937 when he became caught up in Joseph Stalin's Great Purge and accused of being a spy. His association with the cutting edge methods of Marshal Tukhachevsky may have been the cause of his conflict with more traditional officers such as Semyon Budenny, who still favoured cavalry tactics over Tukhachevsky's mass armour theories, but few historians believe that the purge of the Red Army was solely a dispute over policy, and most attribute the purges to political and military rivalries as well.

The charges against Rokossovsky stemmed from the case of the "Anti-Soviet Trotskyist Military Organization of the 11th Mechanized Corps" where Rokossovsky was implicated after the arrest of Corps Commander K.A. Tchaikovsky who, like Rokossovsky, served in the far east in the early 1930s. The Intelligence Chief of the Transbaikal Military District accused Rokossovsky of meeting with Colonel Komatsubara the head of the Japanese military mission in Harbin in 1932, when he was commander of the 15th Cavalry Division in Trans-Baikal; a fact that Rokossovsky did not dispute but justified as a meeting to resolve issues regarding Chinese prisoners. This accusation was supported with material charges, which included various acts of negligence of command that were interpreted as deliberate acts of sabotage, such as allowing the quarters of his division to become slovenly, failing to conduct training, and leading his division out into bad weather causing losses of horses and encouraging sickness among his troops.

Upon his arrest by the NKVD, his wife and daughter were sent into internal exile, where his wife Julia was forced to support their daughter by finding odd jobs, which she would lose when it was discovered that her husband had been arrested as a "traitor"

"The evidence was based on the testimony of Adolph Yushkevich, a colleague of my grandfather in the Civil War. But my grandfather knew very well that Yushkevich died in Perekop, years before. He said that he would sign [a confession] if Adolph was brought for a confrontation. They looked for Yushkevich and found that he had died long before."

After his trial Rokossovsky was sent to the Kresty Prison in Leningrad, where he remained until he was released without explanation on March 22, 1940.

He rose from being a disgraced officer and former prisoner charged with treason, through the rank of Major General, to become a Marshal of the Soviet Union, who was finally put in charge of the victory parade in Moscow at the conclusion of the war in 1945. He played a major role in almost every strategically important operation that eventually led to Soviet victory over Germany during World War II.

Now- I have little doubt the DUmpmonkiez would show the insight to bring back the disgraced former [D]s to help them win, unlike Stalin, and would just as soon have them shot trying to escape... for a DUmpmonkie never learns from history but is daily suprised the sun has risen in the east.
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