white people will not save the Dems

[dutch508]

Star Member La Lioness Priyanka (53,314 posts)https://www.democraticunderground.com/10029118867

If the Montana elections demonstrate anything, it's that white people will not save the Dems

no matter how much some on the left seems to think they will. Rob Quist was a solid candidate, and Montana ended up electing a sociopath. He got backing from people we were assured were extremely popular with the WWC. Yet, he lost.

The majority of white people will pick the sociopathic policies of the GOP. The faster we get over our obsessions with the WWC and focus on engaging in communities of color and trying to get POC to vote, the faster we can start winning elections again.

Yes, there are conditions under which things might change (like, a recession that really hurts people), but overall if we can focus our efforts on making it possible for POC to vote, to be in communities of color articulating the importance of voting, we would not only win, we would do the moral thing.

PS: before someone says it, I said 'Majority" of whites, not all white people. Fully aware that a minority of whites are committed Democrats. FULLY AWARE.

Gee... I don't know why normal mid-western white people might not find the far lunitic fringe of the Ds not to their liking...

dalton99a (7,150 posts)
3. It's delusional to think otherwise.

Star Member marylandblue (265 posts)
4. We don't need a majority of the WWC

Just a bigger share than we got in 2016. Gianforte did 14 points worse than Trump in Montana. If that same swong occurs in evwry.other Congressional district, the doxrats will take back the house by a huge margin.

Star Member La Lioness Priyanka (53,314 posts)
6. how is it that this money seems to only influence whites, and not POC?

how is that fox seems to influence white voters and not POC?

there are other issues, but there is a reason a democrat does not win with whites that is directly linked to race.

Star Member La Lioness Priyanka (53,314 posts)
11. Obama won 2 elections with a minority of white votes BEFORE the VRA was struck down.

thanks to that, states have made it very hard for blacks to vote.

Star Member SoCalMusicLover (1,648 posts)
8. How Many Black Voters Are There In Montana?

About 10? I guess we're screwed unless we find a way to import some black voters from places like CA & IL.

Star Member n2doc (45,242 posts)
10. Montana is irrelevant 1 congressman and 3 ev's aren't going to swing things.

But in places like Michigan and Pennsylvania, it is a different story. Which is why the r's have put so much effort into minority voter suppression.

Star Member DefenseLawyer (10,536 posts)
15. I don't think you can make generalizations about the national electorate

Based on anything that happens in Montana.

Star Member La Lioness Priyanka (53,314 posts)
18. what percentage of the white vote did Obama get again?

Hillary? Kerry? Gore?

was it the majority?

Star Member La Lioness Priyanka (53,314 posts)
21. every time we say we need to get rid of identity politics

we pander to racism and sexism 'We must NEVER pander, directly or indirectly, to white racism.'

EVERY. ****ING. TIME.

WellDarn (207 posts)
22. I know this won't be accepted

but you are both 100% correct and yet 100% wrong.

As much as I would like to think that how we vote decides elections, it does so ONLY if we can get a high enough percentage of white folks to join us.

That, however, has nothing to do with whether your suggestion is the correct one. You could not be more correct. As a party, we should be firmly committed to a goal that every single person of color of voting age be registered to vote, be given the opportunity to vote, and actually vote. It is our moral obligation to do every single thing we can to reverse the ultimate disenfranchisement.

I cannot thank you enough for putting this in terms of it being not just politically advantageous but also morally required.

The thornier question, and, quite frankly, the one that divides our party (not to mention this website), is "Which of the white folks do we think we can get to come along with us to get it close enough for our votes to be the deciding factor?"

Your post answers this question with "Well it sure as heck isn't the white working class."(not a real quote, obviously)

What you miss is that, if Hillary Clinton would have pulled the same percentage of white voters as Rob Quist, pulled yesterday, this country would now be the leader of the free world instead of its laughing stock because Hillary Clinton would be our president. As a matter of fact, if Hillary Clinton had pulled the same percentage of white voters across the entire economic demographic spectrum as she pulled from working class voters in states like Michigan (where she actually won among the working class demographic), we would also now be the leader of the free world instead of its laughing stock.

What I am going to say next may not apply to you in the least and I apologize if it does not, but I have a suspicion that many of the folks who ignore this fact do so because they have an ulterior motive in casting working class voters as unreachable. That motive is that they either oppose policies which are favorable to the working class, or (and I suspect this may be more often the case) because such policies could (admittedly) alienate white upper middle class voters and they believe those voters (perhaps because they are a large and likely to vote bloc that is spread throughout the country and not concentrated in particular cities and/or regions) are the key to electoral victory. The voters in THAT bloc, however, are the ones who abandoned Obama in 2012 (after they found out he was black and that the ACA was helping middle and lower class people more than it was helping them) and stabbed Hillary Clinton in the back in 2016. To bring them back to the Democratic Party fold in sufficient numbers to make create what you correctly see as a winning coalition, however, would require us to move to the right and moving to the right is abandoning people of color, the poor, and the oppressed.

I cannot deny that moving to the right worked in 1992 and kept the White House in our hands in 1996. Welfare reform, the Ominibus Crime Bill, the Anti-terrorism and Effective Death Penalty Act, Don't Ask Don't Tell, and other concessions to upper middle class sensibilities kept enough upper middle class white voters in the fold to help us win two elections after we had suffered a string of humiliating defeats with liberal candidates. I can see the argument that such policies were not too great a price to pay for controlling the White House.

However, after Obama . . . after the honesty he brought when he told white people to their face that race and privilege were determinative factors in social "success" . . . after he called out the racism in the criminal justice system . . . after he passed a health care bill which, yes, helped poor people and the working poor more than the upper middle class people we targeted in 1992 and 1996 . . . after his Justice Department led the fight for marriage equality . . . after he stood for people of ALL faiths, including Islam . . . after every thing he accomplished . . .

I, as a black man, as a liberal, as an American, will not move back to the "center." I will stand with working people. I will stand with people of color. I will stand with LGBTQ. I will stand with all the oppressed because in this "glorious" capitalist system there are way more of us than there are of them.

Star Member QC (25,599 posts)
39. And Montana is normally such a great place for Democratic candidates!

That's the real shocker here.

[Old n Grumpy]

Whites won't save them and neither will all the illegals. they are so far out of touch with reality it is unbelievable.

[DLR Pyro]

why is it always about race with those people?

[BlueStateSaint]

why is it always about race with those people?

It's all they have, so they have to go with it.

[Ralph Wiggum]

Bring in more immigrants, give them free crap, is the theme.

[SVPete]

The majority of white people will pick the sociopathic policies of the GOP. The faster we get over our obsessions with the WWC and focus on engaging in communities of color and trying to get POC to vote, the faster we can start winning elections again.

From your keyboard to the DNC's monitors, LLP. The longer the Ds follow your racist F#$%-the-white-people "logic" the more they'll lose elections. Especially if they also follow F#$%-the-Christians "logic", of which I'm sure you'll approve.

[jukin]

If the democrat-fascist party is going to go full brown and black, why would white people vote against their interests and race?

[DumbAss Tanker]

Star Member marylandblue (265 posts)
4. ... Gianforte did 14 points worse than Trump in Montana...

I keep seeing them parrot this.  Even in the general election, the Congressional districts generally went much more strongly for Trump than for the Republican House candidates, it's an absurd fallacy to impute Trump's November percentage to any interim House race as a presumptive default for the GOP candidate.

Their reason for this pretzel logic is transparent, they aren't fooling anyone but themselves.  Which seems to be their favorite pastime.

[Movie buff- The Sequel]

"Star Member La Lioness Priyanka (53,314 posts)
11. Obama won 2 elections with a minority of white votes BEFORE the VRA was struck down.

thanks to that, states have made it very hard for blacks to vote."
LOL!
How, exactly, did they make it "Very hard for blacks to vote?"

Voter ID laws, to prevent illegal immigrants from voting? Keep in mind that it is incredibly easy and inexpensive to acquire a photo ID.
BTW, liberal scum like the DUmmies ought to think twice about pandering so much to the black voters. They may vote for Democratic candidates, but their views on social issues are often quite conservative. In California in the 2008 elections, blacks were the racial group that voted most heavily in favor of Prop 8.

[98ZJUSMC]

Whites won't save them and neither will all the illegals. they are so far out of touch with reality it is unbelievable.

I'm beginning to wonder about that.  In fact, it may be their ultimate downfall.  No reason to say that, just a feeling.

Star Member La Lioness Priyanka (53,314 posts)
21. every time we say we need to get rid of identity politics

we pander to racism and sexism 'We must NEVER pander, directly or indirectly, to white racism.'

EVERY. ****ING. TIME

You mouthbreathing, fingerpainters do nothing but pander..............   

[98ZJUSMC]

thanks to that, states have made it very hard for blacks to vote."

WHAT?!?!?!?    

[SVPete]

The faster we get over our obsessions with the WWC ...

Would that be the same "Working Class" - White and Black and ... - the Ds have, for more decades than I've been alive, claim to represent? Well, I suppose if the Ds told the "Working Class" to F-off, the honesty would be refreshing.

[I_B_Perky]

Star Member La Lioness Priyanka (53,314 posts)https://www.democraticunderground.com/10029118867

If the Montana elections demonstrate anything, it's that white people will not save the Dems

Nothing can save the dems as long as you liberal loons yank the party so far to the left that Stalin and Mao look like conservatives.

Your message got out for 8 long years and was rejected... soundly I might add... by those same people that used to vote dem.
Now if Trump gets the economy really rolling watch out!  You will lose a generation and possibly two.

Carter got the GOP elected to pres for 3 terms and that was when the MSM was king.  I expect obumbles to result in the same thing.

[Ralph Wiggum]

Based on the pictures "she" has posted, perhaps she could consider cleaning up her apartment. 

Then work on cleaning up the identity politics in your goofy ass party.

[SVPete]

,,,
Then work on cleaning up the identity politics in your goofy ass party.

Clean up the identity politics in the D Party?! That's what she wants the D Party to be!

What she won't see and would reject is the fact that once you start Balkanizing on racial identity, there's no way to prevent the blacks from turning on the Hispanics from turning on the East Asians from turning on the Native Americans from turning on the South Asians (e.g. her) ... ad infinitum.

[Maverick1987]

Pandering to the likes of BLM and Obama resolving our nonexistent bathroom-gender issue late in his Presidency are just a few of the greatest gifts the (D)'s have ever handed the (R)'s

I say...KEEP IT UP!

[thundley4]

"Star Member La Lioness Priyanka (53,314 posts)
11. Obama won 2 elections with a minority of white votes BEFORE the VRA was struck down.

thanks to that, states have made it very hard for blacks to vote."
LOL!
How, exactly, did they make it "Very hard for blacks to vote?"

Voter ID laws, to prevent illegal immigrants from voting? Keep in mind that it is incredibly easy and inexpensive to acquire a photo ID.
BTW, liberal scum like the DUmmies ought to think twice about pandering so much to the black voters. They may vote for Democratic candidates, but their views on social issues are often quite conservative. In California in the 2008 elections, blacks were the racial group that voted most heavily in favor of Prop 8.

La Lyingness Prianka is either stupid or knowingly lying. Or both.

Obama's 39 percent showing among white voters matched the percentage that Bill Clinton received in 1992 -- albeit it in a competitive three-way race -- and exceeded the percentage of the white vote earned by Walter Mondale in 1984, Jimmy Carter in 1980 and George McGovern in 1972.

[SVPete]

Star Member La Lioness Priyanka (53,314 posts)
11. Obama won 2 elections with a minority of white votes BEFORE the VRA was struck down.

LLP appears to be referring to the Voter Rights Act of 1965 and Shelby County vs. Holder, decided in 2013. Contrary to her statement, the VRA was not struck down. What Shelby County did was strike down a formula in the VRA that dictated that certain counties which, in 1965 had established records of keeping blacks from voting, must get Federal approval for changes to how they handle voting. The USSC ruled that this almost 50 year old provision of the VRA no longer reflected reality, and struck down that specific provision. The shenanigans those counties had used to keep blacks from voting are all still illegal, because almost all of the VRA is still in force.