primitives kill somebody in self-defense

[franksolich]

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Oh my.

I was thinking perhaps the lying titty primitive would be at this bonfire, but it's still too early in the morning out in California.  I bet he shows up, sooner or later.

Gato Moteado  Donating Member  (1000+ posts) Wed Aug-13-08 08:54 AM
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anyone here ever had to kill a person or persons in self defense?
   
i'm totally against violence and i used to be anti-gun.

i'm still against violence but i've seen enough and experienced enough to change my views on gun ownership. i'm also not a turn-the-other-cheek person. in the past i would have had a more measured response to threats against my person, but now i'm more likely to use deadly force if my safety felt at all threatened.

i hope it never comes to that.

but, if you've ever had to use deadly force to defend yourself, did you suffer any trauma or guilt afterwards? i'm really curious about this.

tularetom  Donating Member  (1000+ posts) Wed Aug-13-08 08:59 AM
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1. No but I shot a fleeing burglar in the ass with a pellet gun when I caught him stealing a chain saw from my garage.

I didn't suffer any trauma but i got a royal ass chewing from our local sheriff who felt I should have called his office and waited 25 minutes for a deputy to respond while the crook got away.

Bandit  Donating Member  (1000+ posts) Wed Aug-13-08 09:26 AM
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2. I spent over a year in active combat in Vietnam
   
It shattered my life. I know of no person that returned from Vietnam the same as when they went there..

Of course.

Seeing first-hand and up close the atrocities against humanity done by the peace-loving socialists and freedom-loving terrorists could be seriously traumatic, one supposes.

JNelson6563  Donating Member  (1000+ posts) Wed Aug-13-08 09:29 AM
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3. No, thankfully.
   
But I would without hesitation if my life of my kids' lives were threatened. I had an abusive childhood so I know all about that whole survival thing.

sinkingfeeling  Donating Member  (1000+ posts) Wed Aug-13-08 09:29 AM
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4. Having never been threatened in my 60 years, no. When I was younger and more attractive, I had 2 men attempt to force me into a car in Chicago, one man chase me from an elevator up the street in Columbus, Ohio, and a guy in a car try to trap me in a parking lot, etc. But no violence was used by them nor by me.

OneBlueSky  Donating Member  (1000+ posts) Wed Aug-13-08 10:03 AM
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8. I once did a comedy act in high school . . . knocked 'em dead . . .

I dunno.

I remember when old man gator over at our old home asked if one is brave, or cowardly.

I myself could not answer that question, because I've never been "tested" in a way that I'm aware.

Being deaf, one misinterprets situations in real life, and is oftentimes in peril or danger without understanding it.

And so any of those times I've been in danger, the danger is long past gone before I know it.

God, as usual, is good.

[BannedFromDU]

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x3787975

Oh my.

I was thinking perhaps the lying titty primitive would be at this bonfire, but it's still too early in the morning out in California.  I bet he shows up, sooner or later.

Gato Moteado  Donating Member  (1000+ posts) Wed Aug-13-08 08:54 AM
Original message

anyone here ever had to kill a person or persons in self defense?
   
i'm totally against violence and i used to be anti-gun.

i'm still against violence but i've seen enough and experienced enough to change my views on gun ownership. i'm also not a turn-the-other-cheek person. in the past i would have had a more measured response to threats against my person, but now i'm more likely to use deadly force if my safety felt at all threatened.

i hope it never comes to that.

but, if you've ever had to use deadly force to defend yourself, did you suffer any trauma or guilt afterwards? i'm really curious about this.

tularetom  Donating Member  (1000+ posts) Wed Aug-13-08 08:59 AM
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1. No but I shot a fleeing burglar in the ass with a pellet gun when I caught him stealing a chain saw from my garage.

I didn't suffer any trauma but i got a royal ass chewing from our local sheriff who felt I should have called his office and waited 25 minutes for a deputy to respond while the crook got away.

Bandit  Donating Member  (1000+ posts) Wed Aug-13-08 09:26 AM
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2. I spent over a year in active combat in Vietnam
   
It shattered my life. I know of no person that returned from Vietnam the same as when they went there..

Of course.

Seeing first-hand and up close the atrocities against humanity done by the peace-loving socialists and freedom-loving terrorists could be seriously traumatic, one supposes.

JNelson6563  Donating Member  (1000+ posts) Wed Aug-13-08 09:29 AM
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3. No, thankfully.
   
But I would without hesitation if my life of my kids' lives were threatened. I had an abusive childhood so I know all about that whole survival thing.

sinkingfeeling  Donating Member  (1000+ posts) Wed Aug-13-08 09:29 AM
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4. Having never been threatened in my 60 years, no. When I was younger and more attractive, I had 2 men attempt to force me into a car in Chicago, one man chase me from an elevator up the street in Columbus, Ohio, and a guy in a car try to trap me in a parking lot, etc. But no violence was used by them nor by me.

OneBlueSky  Donating Member  (1000+ posts) Wed Aug-13-08 10:03 AM
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8. I once did a comedy act in high school . . . knocked 'em dead . . .

I dunno.

I remember when old man gator over at our old home asked if one is brave, or cowardly.

I myself could not answer that question, because I've never been "tested" in a way that I'm aware.

Being deaf, one misinterprets situations in real life, and is oftentimes in peril or danger without understanding it.

And so any of those times I've been in danger, the danger is long past gone before I know it.

God, as usual, is good.

     This is going to be a good one to watch...I'm sure we'll get tall tales from the usual DU tough guys, like TiT, Redstone, Ghost in the Machine, and a couple of other wild cards. A favorite DUmmy Tough Guy tactic is to create a situation of utter chaos and lack of reason which is swiftly and decisively resolved with the righteousness of their two fists and that intrepid, self-righteous attitude that they're STILL cribbing from Hawkeye Pierce.

     "...and after I killed the guy and the cops had their statement, I sat down with my guitar and laid down some of the most excellent blues since Robert Johnson..."

[JohnnyReb]

The DUmmie has probably been such an america hating a$$hole lately due to the impending election loss that some freeper has said, "I ought to shoot your sorry a$$." ...and he took him seriously.

[asdf2231]

wvbygod  (716 posts)      Wed Aug-13-08 10:24 AM
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9. After a year and a half the mental trauma remains. guilt is another thing
 When someone tries sneaking up to your front window to shoot you through the glass...
This is after calling 911 three times in the hour beforehand. If I had not gotten a call from
the other intended victims 15 miles away that he was chased off with her father's shotgun
and he was headed my way (I called 911 again and said he is coming to kill me).

The police *claim* they tried to head him off at the intersection but he pulled into my
yard with his lights and engine off. As he ran toward my house I flung the door open to
confront the most chilling experience I have ever had. He reaches under his jacket and pulls
out a pistol as I jump back inside and let the storm door shut. Three shots are fired at me
hitting either side of the doorway as I am raising my home defense weapon and firing twice
at the flashes aimed at me. The storm door glass explodes like a car window but remains
in one piece with a 3" hole through it from the muzzle blasts.

I am still moving backwards as the recoil knocks me back even more so all I see is what I
think is him running around the house. I call 911 again while in the dark, on the floor
and looking for any movement outside.

When the blue lights arrive along with AR-15 armed dark clad officers I sneak a look out
my door and see him face down with his pistol still in his hand and melting into the snow.

I set my weapon down and open the storm door which then falls apart into tiny glass squares.
I yell at the cops to come over here (with my hands up) and
tell them he tried to murder me. My face is filled with powder burns, my mouth is dry
and there is a dead man in my front yard. I am cuffed and tossed into a police car.

The lock me up for a week, on the floor in the regional jail, 250,000 cash bail, 2nd degree
murder charges. All the officers at the jail wonder WTF I am even in jail for.

Guilt? no. Anger? much. Disgust with 911? much. The fact he had been threatening to kill his ex and me for months and the local law and judges let him slide because of his
high profile family name? disgusting. It makes me use cuss words often.

That is only the beginning...dealing with the emotions of his children, his ex-wife, his
brothers bent on stupidity hate and my own baggage is a load I would wish on none.

There are times in one's life when you need to keep yourself and others alive and stop
those that would harm you or your loved ones.

It is like a bad dream a whole lot of the time...and yes, the simplicity of just letting
him kill me through the window would have prevented all this. That was not an option in my mind.

shadowknows69  (1000+ posts)       Wed Aug-13-08 12:59 PM
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24. Had a gun against my head once
 Didn't get the chance but that guy I would have shot.

yeah it sucks when you get behind on your Crank Payments. 



 

[DumbAss Tanker]

Sounds a lot like wvbygod was doing the guy's wife, just based on that and nothing else.

[Chris_]

The DUmp monkeys talking about defending themselves reminded me of a joke for some reason. It's not really too related to the subject at hand (nor is it all that funny), but I'll post it any way...

There once was a farmer. He was a Quaker, and as a Quaker he was against all violence. One night, after he had went to bed, he heard some noise in the barn. He grabbed has shotgun and went to investigate. He discovered a guy attempting to steal one of his cows. The guy was so busy leading the cow from the barn that he hadn't heard or saw the farmer. The farmer pointed the shotgun at the guy and loudly said, "Excuse me sir, but you are standing where I'm about to shoot!"