Deny class credit to Christian school students

[Tucker]

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x3436124

Newsjock  (1000+ posts)      Tue Aug-12-08 09:23 PM
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Judge says UC can deny class credit to Christian school students
 Edited on Tue Aug-12-08 09:25 PM by Newsjock
Source: San Francisco Chronicle

A federal judge says the University of California can deny course credit to applicants from Christian high schools whose textbooks declare the Bible infallible and reject evolution.

Rejecting claims of religious discrimination and stifling of free expression, U.S. District Judge James Otero of Los Angeles said UC's review committees cited legitimate reasons for rejecting the texts - not because they contained religious viewpoints, but because they omitted important topics in science and history and failed to teach critical thinking.

... Charles Robinson, the university's vice president for legal affairs, said the ruling "confirms that UC may apply the same admissions standards to all students and to all high schools without regard to their religious affiliations." What the plaintiffs seek, he said, is a "religious exemption from regular admissions standards."

... For example, in Friday's ruling, he upheld the university's rejection of a history course called Christianity's Influence on America. According to a UC professor on the course review committee, the primary text, published by Bob Jones University, "instructs that the Bible is the unerring source for analysis of historical events" and evaluates historical figures based on their religious motivations.

Read more: http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2008/0...

 

Sorry I couldn't come up with a witty title. This one has me so pissed off.

The ballot box isn't working. We need to take this country back.............by force, if necessary.

[franksolich]

This is the part I don't get:

.....and failed to teach critical thinking.

I always thought Christianity was one of the best ways of learning critical thinking.

[jtyangel]

And I'm sure the UC teaches nothing like 'Women and their influence on the United States' or any such class looked at through the filtered lense of a certain ethnic, political group, or gender. I'm not sure how 'Christianity's influence on the United States' is any different from an speciality class one might find at UC on the topic and I'm saying that as someone who is not a Christian of the Bob Jones University persuasion.

[jtyangel]

Hmm...interesting what UC accepts from Berkeley High School

There even is such a thing they accept as 'African American Economics'. I didn't realize that AA's were subject to different economic realities(supply and demand, macro/micro, etc) then the rest of us that they required their own class and look, it's accepted by the UC as meeting a certain requirement

https://doorways.ucop.edu/list/pages/flowcourselist/Results.jsf?_flowExecutionKey=_c53C6AF2E-590C-EF21-5E1A-B8CDC9F3D5DF_kB2F9AF56-5C25-8CD3-4B06-F7D9191D66CD

[JohnnyReb]

If they take the college entrance exam (old SAT's) and surpass public school educated kids, does that mean they're to smart for liberal professors therefore shouldn't be admitted??????

[Chris_]

Here's a sampling from their course listings:

Afro American Studies
Spring 2007
Trends in Black Intellectual Thought (4)
African American Theater History: Minstrel Stage to Rise of the American Musical. (4)
Early Afro-American Literature (5)
Afro-American Music in California (4)
African American Art (4)
Constructing Race. (4)
http://www.afro-am.ucla.edu/Course%20Description%20-%20W07.htm

Civic Engagement (whatever the H*ll that is)
no real course listing, but here's a link to the BS page:
http://www.ugeducation.ucla.edu/communitylearning/index.html

Islamic Studies:
A minimum of twelve courses is required, divided among three categories:

Category 1: Three Required Courses
Near Eastern Languages 201 (Study of Religion: Theory and Methods)
Islamics 201 (Arabo-Islamic Sciences)
History 200J (Islamic Historiography)
 
Category 2: Three courses  that present and compare specific disciplinary approaches to, methods for, and critiques of the study of Islam and society, such as: Anthro 271, Anthro 273, Art History C214, History 201J, Political Science 245.  Other courses may be chosen with consultation with the Program Chair.
 
Category 3: Six additional courses from at least two different disciplines (not including language courses), and at least two geographic regions, chosen in consultation with the Program Chair.

http://www.international.ucla.edu/idps/islamicstudies/article.asp?parentid=7780

LGBT Studies:
I'm not even going to list that cr*p here.
http://www.humnet.ucla.edu/humnet/lgbts/

Social Thought
more BS...see for yourself...
http://www.soc.ucla.edu/undergraduate-study/requirements-for-the-major

 

[Chris_]

'African American Economics'. I didn't realize that AA's were subject to different economic realities

The textbook is written is ebonics..........and the discussions are limited to "demand side" only........

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[DumbAss Tanker]

Islamics 201 (Arabo-Islamic Sciences)

That pretty much came to a dead stop with distillation, algebra 1, and pre-telescope astronomy.  And the Moslems decided the distillation one was a bad idea.

[FlaGator]

That's OK. God has the ability to deny redemption credits to judges from California so it all seems to work out in the end.

[BlueStateSaint]

That's OK. God has the ability to deny redemption credits to judges from California so it all seems to work out in the end.

H5, my fellow traveller!

[jinxmchue]

The DUmp monkeys' gleefulness is disgusting, but not the least bit surprising.

[Rebel]

Those ****ing kooks are doing their DAMNEDEST to drive the prosperous people out of that shithole of a state.

Things like this are why I'm in favor of secession.

[jtyangel]

I can tell you what is going on here. After higher courts kicked back out the ordinance to ban homeschooling, judges and teacher's organizations are going other routes. BJU is a widely used curriculum for homeschooling families. Naturally, if colleges there won't accept it, it could make it very difficult for homeschooled children to get into a college system in California with a homeschool education. They are trying to thwart a law that was already overturned. Bet on it! Liberals don't seem to care for the rule of law unless it indicts a corporation or Cheney. 

[Chris_]

Those ****ing kooks are doing their DAMNEDEST to drive the prosperous people out of that shithole of a state.

Things like this are why I'm in favor of secession.

Seccession hell.  I'm in favor of a majority of the other states voting the ones entirely populated by retards umm I mean the reality impaired, off the ****in' Island.  I've got a seam ripper; let's start unhitching some of them stars from the flag.

[franksolich]

Those ****ing kooks are doing their DAMNEDEST to drive the prosperous people out of that shithole of a state.

Things like this are why I'm in favor of secession.

Seccession hell.  I'm in favor of a majority of the other states voting the ones entirely populated by retards umm I mean the reality impaired, off the ****in' Island.  I've got a seam ripper; let's start unhitching some of them stars from the flag.

Vermont first.

I have one of those 49-star flags, made after Alaska became a state in 1959, but before Hawaii became a state the same year.  I use it all the time.  I remind others that the missing state is Vermont.

[Chris_]

Those ****ing kooks are doing their DAMNEDEST to drive the prosperous people out of that shithole of a state.

Things like this are why I'm in favor of secession.

Seccession hell.  I'm in favor of a majority of the other states voting the ones entirely populated by retards umm I mean the reality impaired, off the ****in' Island.  I've got a seam ripper; let's start unhitching some of them stars from the flag.

Vermont first.

I have one of those 49-star flags, made after Alaska became a state in 1959, but before Hawaii became a state the same year.  I use it all the time.  I remind others that the missing state is Vermont.

Quickly followed by Massachutsetts, California, and New Jersey.  And if New York doesn't watch it's step, they're next.

[Zeus]

Those ******* kooks are doing their DAMNEDEST to drive the prosperous people out of that shithole of a state.

Things like this are why I'm in favor of secession.

Seccession hell.  I'm in favor of a majority of the other states voting the ones entirely populated by retards umm I mean the reality impaired, off the ******' Island.  I've got a seam ripper; let's start unhitching some of them stars from the flag.

Vermont first.

I have one of those 49-star flags, made after Alaska became a state in 1959, but before Hawaii became a state the same year.  I use it all the time.  I remind others that the missing state is Vermont.

Isn't Vermont one of the States the Freepers picked for Colonization ?

[Rebel]

From 2002:

#5 The Family Policy Network 

This week's "Head In Sand" Award goes to the Family Policy Network, who recently attempted to get a court injuction preventing the University of North Carolina from discussing a book about the Qur'an. See, according to the Christian group, "the assignment should have been prohibited because it promoted Islam." Um, okay. Let's all just ignore the fact that millions of people follow this particular religion, shall we? After all, if we pretend that it doesn't exist then maybe those strange brown people will just go away. In fact, the less we know about Islam, the more confused and angry we can all be! And that's what Jesus would have wanted. Incidentally the court dismissed the case, presumably on the grounds that a bunch of xenophobic nuts shouldn't dictate what colleges should or shouldn't allow their students to discuss.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/top10/02/p/82.html

Hypocrites. 

[Tucker]

Here's hoping for the San Andreas Fault to change the course of our nation. It would improve our future.

[Chris_]

Rejection of TToE is the same as rejection of mathematics, chemistry, astronomy, physics and all other sciences.

Using a theological reference as a basis for science is the same as using Dianetics as a basis for history.

The Bible tells us how to live and provides a broad historical backdrop against which to view the way God wants us to treat each other.  You might notice it mentions the pyramids in passing without describing in detail the math behind them.

Sorry, but the judge is right. 

[Chris_]

Here's hoping for the San Andreas Fault to change the course of our nation. It would improve our future.

Don't you mean south of the Ohio River?  They were the first to see that attempts to establish a National Religion to substitute for science was completely wrong.

[Tucker]

Here's hoping for the San Andreas Fault to change the course of our nation. It would improve our future.

Don't you mean south of the Ohio River?  They were the first to see that attempts to establish a National Religion to substitute for science was completely wrong.

Nah! California is a great starting point.

[Chris_]

Here's hoping for the San Andreas Fault to change the course of our nation. It would improve our future.

Don't you mean south of the Ohio River?  They were the first to see that attempts to establish a National Religion to substitute for science was completely wrong.

Nah! California is a great starting point.

Well, if you draw a line from California to Ohio I guess you are left with Texas, Tennessee and Louisiana.

[USA4ME]

I can tell you what is going on here. After higher courts kicked back out the ordinance to ban homeschooling, judges and teacher's organizations are going other routes. BJU is a widely used curriculum for homeschooling families. Naturally, if colleges there won't accept it, it could make it very difficult for homeschooled children to get into a college system in California with a homeschool education. They are trying to thwart a law that was already overturned. Bet on it! Liberals don't seem to care for the rule of law unless it indicts a corporation or Cheney. 

You could be onto something.  At the private Christian school my kids attend they use the regular science books, but then the teachers also point out all the holes in evolution that the books don't mention.  I don't know what the home schoolers in NC use, but I think all the text books have to be approved through the State even though you're using them at home.

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[Vagabond]

Rejection of TToE is the same as rejection of mathematics, chemistry, astronomy, physics and all other sciences.

Using a theological reference as a basis for science is the same as using Dianetics as a basis for history.

The Bible tells us how to live and provides a broad historical backdrop against which to view the way God wants us to treat each other.  You might notice it mentions the pyramids in passing without describing in detail the math behind them.

Sorry, but the judge is right. 

I disagree.  The TToE has jack and nothing to do with anything on a daily, weekly, annual, or centennial basis, and that won't change.  It's study will not help solve any real world problems and is therefore an mere extravagance. 

Mathematics and related fields?  Useful daily.  Chemistry?  Useful daily.  Astronomy?  It's study has yielded at times things that have become useful.