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Protesters to shut down the RNC
« on: August 12, 2008, 06:06:52 PM »
I don't have any words for this one.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x3784033#3784221

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Protesters to shut down the RNC   Updated at 3:36 PM
   
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This is good to see.

SHUT DOWN THE REPUBLICAN NATIONAL CONVENTION

Sept. 1-5, 2008 -- St Paul, MN

From: OpEd News

Tactics and Prognosis for a Successful RNC Protest

by Ray Louis
www.opednews.com

This year's Republican National Convention is likely to face the most aggressive, direct action, take-to-the-streets-style protest that the U.S. has seen since the WTO was shut down in 1999. It likely will be even larger than that protest and, maybe, even more effective. Relative to the WTO, more people in this country are more aware of Republican crimes and, also, living conditions (not to mention civil liberties) have deteriorated greatly since the historic protest of the World Trade Organization. The general public is riled up and in need of protest like never before.

The organizing for this protest has been unparalleled. Use of the internet has expanded greatly over the past few years as a tool for revolutionary activists. Not only are we able to be more informed about why we should protest, but we are also more informed about how we can effectively stage a revolt against the Republican fascists. We have unprecedented access to potential lodging opportunities, caravans, and logistical considerations for this protest. Tactically, we have the works of everyone from Gandhi to Sun Tzu at our fingertips (via the world wide web). More specifically, we have access to information about this particular protest readily available. This protest is going to be historic.

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Fortunately, there will be plenty of alternative actions (requiring various degrees of commitment) in addition to the permitted protest march. With tens of thousands of protesters (and only about 3500 police officers), a breakaway/secondary march is the most likely, and least extreme, alternative protest tactic. If hundreds of people can resist being intimidated (by a few dozen officers at any given intersection), they should be able to go wherever they want in downtown St. Paul. These breakaway/alternative marches will actually make the permitted march useful since it will still be the most heavily policed area. I expect the breakaway marches will head down John Ireland Blvd. to Kellogg and/or another might head southeast (Away from the capitol grounds), but this is pure speculation. The first "alternative" route down John Ireland was the originally requested (and denied) route -- so it seems the most likely path for people who want to go where they choose. If the police decide to try and be present at multiple routes they will spread their forces thin and the marches can flow wherever the crowd takes them regardless of police scare tactics. The thing to remember is that a breakaway/alternative route is going to require a sizable bloc of people to initially be a little pushy in demanding their rights to free movement.

These breakaway marches will effectively serve as a roving blockade to prevent the Republicans from gathering, promoting and celebrating their polices of war and destruction. I honestly don't know where they will go (or how effective they will be) but I guarantee that large groups of freedom-loving people will tend to go where their hearts lead them. Hopefully these roving blockades will go to the west and the south of the Xcel Energy Center (where most of the off-ramps and convention entrances are). They won't have to take the most direct route to get there (bring a small map) and they can take their time getting where they need to go. How effective these breakaway marches will be depends on how likely people are to hold their ground and march right past a relatively small number of police. Hopefully these protesters won't be too intimidated or faint-hearted, but they should consider the real risks that some of the other people at this protest will be taking...

Much more here.


Those not able to attend may lend moral support, legal support, and/or financial support (if you want to help a friend or organization cover the costs of participating in the protest). Some people are working on textmob systems so that protesters will be able to communicate with other protesters, in real time, about developing events in other areas of the city.


As usual, the protest route has been a bone of contention:


Some other links:

Thoughts on the Upcoming RNC Protests

RNC Welcoming Committee

Unconventional Action

Be Prepared for Police Violence at the RNC Protest

See you in St Paul! Let's make history! :)


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3. I love the idea of protests, but I don't want them shutting down the
   
Pub convention anymore than I would want to see the Pubs try to shut down the Dem convention!

Protest! Prove your points! But it's wrong to shut either side down!


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Truth2Tell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list    Tue Aug-12-08 03:12 PM
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6. That's mighty nice of you.   Updated at 3:36 PM
   
I, however, don't consider the Repiglican Party to be a political organization worthy of such gentlemanly consideration. They are a criminal enterprise, IMO, and deserve to be shut down for good.

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30. No. Shut it down.
   
Shut it down forever.

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16. Shut it down.
   
They have no right to meet and do evil.

Destroy it from the beginning.

We must silence the opposition!

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Re: Protesters to shut down the RNC
« Reply #1 on: August 12, 2008, 06:09:43 PM »
From the bunch always crying about Fascism. :whatever:
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Re: Protesters to shut down the RNC
« Reply #2 on: August 12, 2008, 06:10:36 PM »
So squelching PROTECTED POLITICAL SPEECH is 'good to see'. Nice to see the 'champions of free speech' showing us just how they live up to that title once again. :whatever:
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Re: Protesters to shut down the RNC
« Reply #3 on: August 12, 2008, 06:21:40 PM »
Yep. Show the RNC what the Democrat party is really made of. That'll play great among the "undecided" voters.  :whatever:
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Re: Protesters to shut down the RNC
« Reply #4 on: August 12, 2008, 06:26:38 PM »
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21. If anyone incites violence, shut them down.  If they won't go quietly, turn them in, since they're probably undercover police or feds anyway.

RidinMyDonkey (30 posts)      Tue Aug-12-08 03:16 PM
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8. No they deserve to be shut down.  I don't know if they actually went through with it or not, but they wanted to shut down the Dorothy Day center for the homeless that's next to the Xcel for the convention. If they're willing to make it so the homeless can't eat or have a decent place to sleep then yes, they should be shut down. 

Truth2Tell  (1000+ posts)       Tue Aug-12-08 03:18 PM
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9. I don't think very many of the people planning to participate in St Paul will allow themselves to be "put into" any "contained areas." At least not without serious resistance.

Three more fine examples of free speech.
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Re: Protesters to shut down the RNC
« Reply #5 on: August 12, 2008, 06:32:38 PM »
Nazi bastards..... :censored: :censored:
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Re: Protesters to shut down the RNC
« Reply #6 on: August 12, 2008, 06:34:44 PM »
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Re: Protesters to shut down the RNC
« Reply #7 on: August 12, 2008, 06:52:24 PM »
Be prepared for POLICE violence ?????

My ass.

Be prepared for CROWD violence and get ready to see the police exercising an inhuman amount of restraint in not putting the boot into a bunch of smelly, rowdy assholes that richly deserve it.
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Re: Protesters to shut down the RNC
« Reply #8 on: August 12, 2008, 06:59:31 PM »
The leftists are gonna be busy, rioting at both the DNC and the RNC.

I am hoping recreate 68 goes really well in Denver.
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Re: Protesters to shut down the RNC
« Reply #9 on: August 12, 2008, 07:05:55 PM »
Quote from: Carl on August 12, 2008, 06:09:43 PM
From the bunch always crying about Fascism. :whatever:


     God, PLEASE incite violence...PLEASE try to shut it down. Not only will the millions of swing voters have a look at the tactics of Obama supporters, but the cops will get to serve a few lead salads, too.
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Re: Protesters to shut down the RNC
« Reply #10 on: August 12, 2008, 07:07:23 PM »
Quote from: dutch508 on August 12, 2008, 06:59:31 PM
The leftists are gonna be busy, rioting at both the DNC and the RNC.

I am hoping recreate 68 goes really well in Denver.
I am tempted to donate to their cause.  The more they succedd in their goal, the more McCain voters we get off the fence.
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Re: Protesters to shut down the RNC
« Reply #11 on: August 12, 2008, 10:42:46 PM »
Uh, they're referencing the WTO protests?  Weren't those some of the most violent protests/riots in the past, oh, 30-40 years in America?  If so, I really do hope they go that route, though I hope no one is hurt or killed.  It would guarantee Republican control of the executive and legislative branches for the next 20 years.

Anyone want to send that thread to the FBI.  I'm sure they'd love to have a head's up (if they don't already, though I suspect they do - still, better safe than sorry) on these plans and DU being included in organizing them.
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Re: Protesters to shut down the RNC
« Reply #12 on: August 12, 2008, 10:47:52 PM »
M-4's. Plenty of Ammunition. Damn good marksman.

My solution to this bullshit.
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Re: Protesters to shut down the RNC
« Reply #13 on: August 12, 2008, 11:32:06 PM »
Yeah-shut it down, let everyone see how crazy the Obama supporters really are. Then McCain will have all the votes he need to win.
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Re: Protesters to shut down the RNC
« Reply #15 on: August 13, 2008, 07:04:22 AM »
Quote from: jinxmchue on August 12, 2008, 10:42:46 PM
Uh, they're referencing the WTO protests?  Weren't those some of the most violent protests/riots in the past, oh, 30-40 years in America?  If so, I really do hope they go that route, though I hope no one is hurt or killed.  It would guarantee Republican control of the executive and legislative branches for the next 20 years.

Anyone want to send that thread to the FBI.  I'm sure they'd love to have a head's up (if they don't already, though I suspect they do - still, better safe than sorry) on these plans and DU being included in organizing them.

Screen cap it.  Then, send it.  I'm sure that Coach's fellow alum would be more than happy to get the scrutiny . . . er, "attention" of the FBI and the Secret Service (again).
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