Trump too stupid to be Russian spy...

[dutch508]

DetlefK (9,737 posts) https://www.democraticunderground.com/10028926618

There more I read about Kremlingate, the more convinced I am that Trump is innocent. No, seriously.

Paul Manafort, Carter Page, Mike Flynn, Jeff Sessions, Roger Stone, Rex Tillerson... They all have confirmed ties to Russia or their ties can at least be reasonably assumed from the evidence.

Trump does have business-ties to Russia. Eric Trump said so.

BUT...

Donald Trump does not have the stamina or the intelligence or the discipline for basic presidentin', which he's doing while being supported by literally hundreds of staffers.
What makes you think that Donald Trump has what it takes to pull a geopolitical con of James-Bond-villain level? How many people could he reasonably involve in that scheme while at the same time keeping it secret?

Donald Trump is too lazy, too stupid and too emotional to pull off something like this.

He's just a figure-head, a useful idiot, a tool, an unwitting minion of the actual schemers.

That's why he's so outraged about the Russia-investigations: He honestly believes that he won this election fair and square.

He's the best! Why would he even need help from Russia to win the election?
He's the boss! The mere thought that he's a pawn in someone else's scheme, that's completely ludicrous!

and we are back to the good ol' days of W being a stooge for the evil vast right wing...

 

TXCritter (313 posts)
1. Then he is a dupe - an unwitting agent and therefore, unfit to be president and should be removed from office ASAP.

We find no proof of your crimes therefore you are guilty!

Star Member KittyWampus (55,655 posts)
2. He knew and was perfectly fine with it. He gets upset not because he truly believes

he won fair and square... but because he is a narcissist and a man-child who has a personality disorder that makes him reinvent facts to build up his own ego.

You forget his whole asking Russia to get Hillary's emails.

 

L. Coyote (37,611 posts)
3. The mafia boss always has his buffers. What is difficult is convicting the top guy.

You don't have a top guy in your scenario, you give the top guy a pass.

I co-opted the following from a comment section on an article ... Here's to 45 "telling it like it is" or conning the electorate.
NOT Paul Manafort, Carter Page, Mike Flynn, Jeff Sessions, Roger Stone, Rex Tillerson, et.al., but Donald John Trump!
1. He said he wouldn’t bomb Syria. You bought it. Then he bombed Syria.

2. He said he’d build a wall along the border with Mexico. You bought it. Now his secretary of homeland security says, “It’s unlikely that we will build a wall.”

3. He said he’d clean up the Washington swamp. You bought it. Then he brought into his administration more billionaires, CEOs and Wall Street moguls than in any administration in history, to make laws that will enrich their businesses.

4. He said he’d repeal Obamacare and replace it with something “wonderful.” You bought it. Then he didn’t.

5. He said he’d use his business experience to whip the White House into shape. You bought it. Then he created the most chaotic, dysfunctional, backstabbing White House in modern history, in which no one appears to be in charge. They can't even get the Easter Egg Roll, a 130+ year US tradition, organized per reports.

6. He said he’d release his tax returns, eventually. You bought it. He hasn’t, and says he never will.

7. He said he’d divest himself from his financial empire, to avoid any conflicts of interest. You bought it. He remains heavily involved in his businesses, makes money off of foreign dignitaries staying at his Washington hotel, gets China to give the Trump brand trademark and copyright rights, manipulates the stock market on a daily basis and has more conflicts of interest than can even be counted. Oh, and he amended his documents to make it legal for him to pull money from his businesses whenever he so desires. If Obama had done this, the GOP would have had utter meltdowns.

8. He said Hillary Clinton was in the pockets of Goldman Sachs and would do whatever they said. You bought it. Then he put half a dozen Goldman Sachs executives in positions of power in his administration.

9. He said he’d surround himself with all the best and smartest people. You bought it. Then he put Betsy DeVos, an opponent of public education, in charge of education; Jeff Sessions, an opponent of the Voting Rights Act, in charge of voting rights; Ben Carson, an opponent of the Fair Housing Act, in charge of fair housing; Scott Pruitt, a climate change denier, in charge of the Environmental Protection Agency; and Russian quisling Rex Tillerson as secretary of state.

10. He said he’d faithfully execute the law. You bought it. Then he said his predecessor, Barack Obama, spied on him, without any evidence of Obama ever doing so, in order to divert attention from the FBI’s investigation into collusion between his campaign and Russian operatives to win the election. To date, no evidence exists to support his claim even when he promised to deliver some over a month ago.

11. He said he knew more about strategy and terrorism than the generals did. You bought it. Then he green-lighted a disastrous raid in Yemen, even though his generals said it would be a terrible idea. This raid resulted in the deaths of a Navy SEAL, an 8-year-old American girl and numerous civilians. The actual target of the raid escaped.

12. He called Obama “the vacationer-in-chief” and accused him of playing more rounds of golf than Tiger Woods. He promised to never be the kind of president who took cushy vacations on the taxpayer’s dime, not when there was so much important work to be done. You bought it. He has by now spent more taxpayer money on vacations/trips to FL than Obama did in the first three years of his presidency. Not to mention all the money taxpayers are spending protecting his family, including his two sons who travel all over the world on Trump business and Melania living in NYC.

Star Member Wounded Bear (15,167 posts)
4. There's a big difference between 'innocent' and 'not guilty'....

Just sayin'. I might believe 'not guilty' if it was actually demonstrated by evidence.

Trump will never be innocent.

Star Member Tom Rinaldo (17,214 posts)
14. He didn't have to do any of the heavy lifting, just give a general OK

I may be willing to accept that he might not have known exactly how involved it was, or what laws would be broken. I can believe he could be ignorant enough to not understand all the implications of letting the Russians help him reveal "dirt" about Hillary - or whatever he believed it was that they were going to help him with.

But I bet he "approved it" the same way he "approved" the first executive orders that he signed without really understanding - that were worked up for him by Bannon. Or the way he "approved" that raid in Yemen that he "considered" over dinner. That's the most charitable read on things that I can grant him - he also could have known full well exactly what was going down.

ananda (17,399 posts)
19. Disagree!

It doesn't take energy or smarts to bring things down, especially
with cohorts like those from Russia and his campaign team!

I should add .. it does take energy and smarts to build things up
and create a good and just society.

davsand (12,512 posts)
21. I'll grant you, he's dumb as a sack of hammers.

NO argument from me about that. tRump is dumb as f***. He's also the one that is "in charge" of the entire stinking mess. It is ALL on him as a result.

On a purely practical level, I do think that the proof of his active collusion hasn't surfaced yet, but I think it's there. I think he's in this up to his nasty orange hairline.

Laura

Sculpin Beauregard (212 posts)
27. He is ****ing guilty

of collusion, AND he's a useful idiot.

He was instructed on talking points to use at his rallies from his Russian handlers (Russian intelligence).

He has laundered, and borrowed, Russian money.

He had a server in his tower trading data with Russian banks.

And so, so much more.

I think the Steele dossier, which is only a bit of the whole story, will turn out to be true, and there will be much more.

Star Member BainsBane (40,869 posts)
30. Putin is the mastermind but Trump went along with it. That much is obvious by his reactions.

yeah- the whole Syria thing just reaks of russian interference with the US ... 

stonecutter357 (6,467 posts)
31. if they/the Senate,CIA,FBI,NSA find collusion he should be shot for treason.

just like Teddy Kennedy...  oh--- wait... 

[Ralph Wiggum]

This reminds me of the quandary the DUmmies often got themselves into during the Bush #43 presidency.  He was so stupid, but constantly outwitted the left & media.  Make up your minds, DUmmies!

[Carl]

I love impotent rage. 

[BattleHymn]

This reminds me of the quandary the DUmmies often got themselves into during the Bush #43 presidency.  He was so stupid, but constantly outwitted the left & media.  Make up your minds, DUmmies!

Came here to say the same thing. 

[FiddyBeowulf]

Donald Trump is too lazy, too stupid and too emotional to pull off something like this.

Yet Hillary will never be president. 

[BlueStateSaint]

Yet Hillary will never be president. 

This is the emoticon that you should be using:

[SVPete]

"My Mother the Car" re-runs would be more interesting that that thread. More original and creative, too.

[jukin]

Yet Trump was so stupid he beat the world's smartest woman like a screen door in a tornado.

[98ZJUSMC]

Yet Hillary will never be president. 

Could not possibly be any happier, FAGGOTS.

You forget his whole asking Russia to get Hillary's emails.

It's always tempting for us to ask, if you Gerber-burping retards, can possibly be that stupid.

But, you answer that yourselves.

[franksolich]

Well, if President Trump is stupid, I wonder what that makes the primitives, none of whom ever built a real-estate empire or became president of the United States.

I also wonder what that makes Messalina Agrippina, who wasn't smart enough to beat him for the presidency.

[Mr Mannn]

This is so odd about liberals, There is no attempt to understand the opposition, all they do is demonize and repeat the talking point of the day.
*** The Democrat establishment must like their minions stupid.

[Ralph Wiggum]

Well, if President Trump is stupid, I wonder what that makes the primitives, none of whom ever built a real-estate empire or became president of the United States.

I also wonder what that makes Messalina Agrippina, who wasn't smart enough to beat him for the presidency.

But...But...But Trump got money from his family, so he didn't really build all that! (Liberal logic)

[Movie buff- The Sequel]

" They can't even get the Easter Egg Roll, a 130+ year US tradition, organized per reports."
1. At least he didn't do like Obama did and shoehorn in a bunch of stupid and pointless fitness exercises into the roll to help advance Moo- chelle's hypocritical- as- hell "War on obesity."
2. Obama brought an end to the White House's observation of National Day of Prayer, which had been a 60- year White House tradition, and whose roots go all the way back to George Washington. You liberal vermin cheered him on for this.
3. Many years, Obama did not even give a public address for Easter (Yet he of course did so for every Muslim holiday and feast day that he knew of).

[VelvetElvis]

DetlefK (9,737 posts) https://www.democraticunderground.com/10028926618
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Donald Trump is too lazy, too stupid and too emotional to pull off something like this.

I just can't get over this.

We just got done enduring 8 miserable years of suffering under King Putt, the absolutely laziest cretin ever to occupy the office, and are being constantly regaled in the press with mournful tales of reporters being run ragged just trying to keep up with Trump, a man who is 30 or 40 years senior to most of them, and this DUmmy has the nerve to call Trump LAZY????!!!!

[SVPete]

I just can't get over this.

We just got done enduring 8 miserable years of suffering under King Putt, the absolutely laziest cretin ever to occupy the office, and are being constantly regaled in the press with mournful tales of reporters being run ragged just trying to keep up with Trump, a man who is 30 or 40 years senior to most of them, and this DUmmy has the nerve to call Trump LAZY????!!!!

IMO, William the Indolent gave Obama strong competition when it came to laziness, . OTOH, Obama did more damage to the US than did Clinton, so for that Obama was worse over all.