The "extreme left" didn't give us Trump.

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Star Member pat_k (6,954 posts) http://www.democraticunderground.com/10028767017

The "extreme left" didn't give us Trump. The path to hell was paved by

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... the Democratic leadership's refusal to do their duty and defend the Constitution they swore to uphold by fighting, win or lose, for:

1. Impeachment of Reagan for Iran-Contra.
2. Prosecution of Bush Sr. when the extent of his role in Iran contra was exposed.
3. An objection to the unlawfully appointed FL electors on Jan 6, 2001, as was their duty under the electoral count act.
4. Impeachment of Bush/Cheney for torture.

Too many of them failed to protect the constitution from Alito when they refused to join a winning filibuster that would actually have stopped him, and instead cast their useless No votes on the floor. Thinking things like "I opposed Alito, even tho I refused to do the one thing guaranteed to stop him" is the sort of thinking that has earned them their wimpy reputation.

As if their failure to stand and fight for our founding principles weren't devastating enough, they have stubbornly adhered to a policy of preemptive surrender on the proposed solutions they claim to support (The "Can't Win, So Don't Fight" policy.)

They give lip service to universal health care, progressive tax reform, ending mass incarceration, consumer protections, financial system protections, and on and on, but the leadership of our party almost NEVER actually takes concrete action. Over, and over, and over again they have refused to "whip up" support for proposals and bills that would make a real difference. The ONLY way to make a case to the American people for real change is to actually MAKE THE CASE.

Making a case for getting a slice of bread does not win hearts and minds over to the idea that we need, and can get, the whole loaf. Making the case for getting a slice does not demonstrate strength and leadership. It says "We are too weak to do the things that will make a REAL difference in your lives." Not a stirring message.

Fighting, win or lose, is how you make things happen. It's how you demonstrate the strength the electorate craves. Chances of "winning" today are irrelevant. Fighting now makes it possible to win down the line.

Until the Democratic leadership really "gets" this, our downward spiral will continue.

They could learn something from the right-wingnuts who unceasingly advocate for things long considered DOA. (Look at how many of those formerly DOA ideas are on the verge of becoming reality.) The Democratic leadership has not provided an effective counterpoint to the relentless corporatist/reactionary drum beat for decades.

The bottom line: The party leadership's immoral refusal to stand and fight for the Constitution coupled with their cowardly policy of preemptive surrender paved the road to our current hell.

The post asserting that the "extreme left gave us Nixon, Bush and now Trump" couldn't be more wrong. The REAL problem is the leadership's irrational phobia that they will look "too extreme" if they actually fight for meaningful change. Promoting the wrongheaded notion that the "extreme left" is the problem feeds their phobia. If you want to turn things around challenge their irrational fear. Help them overcome their phobia and step up.

yup- they didn't go leftist enough.

Star Member Cha (194,483 posts)
111. The OP is Wrong.. Jill Stein spoiled the 2016 election for Hillary Clinton Gave us trump

Star Member Cha (194,483 posts)
176. It's doesn't matter.. if they voted or stayed home.. they still ****ed it up.

ETA.. and if stein hadn't LIED in the first place we wouldn't be having this conversation.

If she hadn't said it doesn't matter if you're in a swing state.. don't vote for Hillary.

Like good little soldiers they followed the pied piper.

stein is a putinesque rat****er.

Star Member Cha (194,483 posts)
181. Didn't say they "owed" anything. Apparently not even the Planet..

Saying if stein weren't such a ****ing Liar and cared about our Country We might have Won instead of Russia.

ETA... "Apparently not even the Planet.."

Star Member Hortensis (13,753 posts)
229. We've been naming "one of the factors" -- spreading such vicious lies about Clinton that many who thought they'd vote for her ultimately decided not to, putting the current pack of hyenas in office.

Right now we could be talking about our administration's plan to restore good, well paying jobs with good benefits to America. Starting with President Clinton's first 100-day jobs plan.

We talk a lot about Republican regret and wonder how that's coming along.

Star Member Cha (194,483 posts)
152. "Noam Chomsky made that very clear that those "Progressives who refused to vote for Hillary Clinton made a ‘bad mistake’"

“ terrible point,” Chomsky told Hasan. “It was the same point that people like him said about Hitler in the early ’30s… he’ll shake up the system in bad ways."

Star Member KPN (2,503 posts)
159. Let's don't take any responsibility for any of this.

Star Member Cha (194,483 posts)
163. I posting the article in response to the first sentence of the OP.. there are other

reasons we lost.. Voter Suppression,Voter Purging, comey, the Russian coup/hacking/

But the damn lies of stein were a huge contributing factor..

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they damn well will.. sitting on their millions while the Planet goes to shite and people go hungry and Immigrants banned from the US by "the bumbler" according the ever present idiot, jill stein

 

Star Member bravenak (34,628 posts)
2. If you hate the party so much, then why post at a place for Democrats?

You seem angrier at the party than at the guy deporting immigrants and taking healthcare completely away.
I think whoever has these thought on the party need to prove they are right by winning. If yiu win, and work, people start listening. If you just point fingers at us for losing while your not even able win at all???

Star Member bravenak (34,628 posts)
10. Fight Trump for ****'s sake!

Fight him! If you aint got time to fight him, are you really who we need to listen to?

Star Member bravenak (34,628 posts)
65. You fight him by kicking our asses? How the hell does that make any sense?

If the policies you want are so popular, why are there not hundreds of congresspeople with your exact same ideology.
They are already not voting for trump's nominees, mostly. The ones who are are doing so in states where there is no way in hot HELL that a far left progressive could win. Might want to tailor your message.

 

Star Member JHan (2,926 posts)
83. No you're kicking the Democratic Party over stupid shit. that's already happened.. we have SHIT HAPPENING RIGHT ****ING NOW. If you want to go back in time to every mistake the Democratic Party ever made have ****ing fun.. here's some fun - go back to pre 1930's ... Find every single little flaw, and while you're wasting your time , other folks will see to more pressing matters like the current dipshit in the whitehouse.

I'm a millennial, and so help me god I will do my best to not see the bullshit of last year repeated because of DUMB SHIT... already 2 years of potential progress has BEEN LOST, and there's only so much shit my generation can fix when it's our time to lead.

 

Star Member bravenak (34,628 posts)
98. Half the shit they mad at happened before we were born

 

Star Member bravenak (34,628 posts)
105. I was still in Buster Browns during Iran Contra.

Back when there was still a Kenny's shoe store and a Lamont's at the mall. They put their grudges before our interests every damn time. Why listen to them? Nope. Done.

Star Member Cha (194,483 posts)
97. Excellent, JH.. and Just to be Clear about the "extreme left".. "not" giving us trump as the OP opines.. BULLSHIT.


Jill Stein spoiled the 2016 election for Hillary Clinton

 

Star Member mcar (15,621 posts)
52. +1000!

I don't get the constant Democrat bashing here.

Star Member pat_k (6,954 posts)
218. I can't help but wonder how many meetings at Senate or Congressional offices Bravenak's been in.

I wonder how many doors, for how many campaigns, the ones who are railing against me have knocked on.

Over the years, I've only had meetings with Lautenberg's, Corzine's, Menendez', and Conyers' senior staff , but I'm guessing that's more than most who are railing against the OP. I've only volunteered for a couple dozen campaigns, knocked on a few hundred doors, made a few hundred calls, but I'm guessing that may be more than most who attack me on some strange assumption that I don't actually DO anything but complain.

thedeanpeople, an organization I co-founded, was only responsible for about 15,000 faxes going to congress advocating Alito filibuster and an objection to the Ohio electors, but who's counting?

 

Star Member Cha (194,483 posts)
17. And, trying to absolve jill stein's LIES and part ownership of trump.

Star Member bravenak (34,628 posts)
24. Jill Stein has never been a friend of the democratic party

Warpy (91,918 posts)
80. Stein would be completely irrelevant to this discussion because her share of the vote was miniscule. She was a joke of a candidate who specialized in self satire.

Her only relevance is that she sued for recounts when the spineless leadership wouldn't do it.

 

Star Member Cha (194,483 posts)
89. You're wrong.. stein won by more in Michigan, Pennsylvania, & Wisconsin than Hillary lost.

Star Member bravenak (34,628 posts)
39. They will never feel bad for or admit their part in that

It would be nice to simply have some silence from those who refuse to assist in this fight againt a real oligarch. A putin puppet. I still think he was very involved in the russia hacking. I think people are starting to ignore those who refuse to help. We have a war to fight.

 

Star Member bravenak (34,628 posts)
100. And how has kicking Dems in the ass been a winner? It hasn't. The far left as not racked up enough wins to force us to completely reform our party. When they do, they can expect more attention.

Star Member bravenak (34,628 posts)
104. I long for the far left to help or be silent. Apoarentlywe have not been democrats by your view for years. Maybe you're not the model/archetype of democrats?

Star Member sheshe2 (39,225 posts)
69. THERE WERE NEVER ENOUGH VOTES FOR SINGLE PAYER!

How many times does that need to be said before the talking point comes back around again and again. BERNIE EVEN ADMITTED THAT!!!!

How Many Times Does This Have To Be Posted?

Sanders: Single Payer Never Had A Chance

"It would have had 8 or 10 votes and that's it,"

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/dc/sanders-single-payer-never-had-a-chance

Exilednight (9,232 posts)
227. Okay, let's follow your logic to its logical conclusion.

We don't have the votes to stop Trump from enacting TrumpCare and dismantling key parts of the ACA.

By your own logic, we shouldn't even try to stop him.

You can't have it both ways and say it's fine to fight this fight we know we will lose, but we shouldn't fight the other one because the math is against us.

Star Member Cha (194,483 posts)
109. The extreme left did give us trump..Jill Stein spoiled the 2016 election for Hillary Clinton

 

RoadhogRidesAgain (59 posts)
125. I didn't vote for Stien

She's a Putin shill who's operation in the election was to spread discord among those on the left. Susan surandon as well. Both should be considered enemies and are Party responsible for the victory of Trump.

But Jill stein is NOT an excuse to start trying to appease right wingers. Wanting the Democratic Party to start moving further left is not extreme, plenty of our voters want this.

Star Member Starry Messenger (31,826 posts)
6. All that and not a single line about racist vote suppression

I gotta hand it to you guys, once you fall in love with your own narrative, you're like a dog with a kong toy.

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Star Member Cha (194,483 posts)
112. Right.. or that jill stein Gave us trump..Jill Stein spoiled the 2016 election for Hillary Clinton

that was the 6th time Cha posted the entirely same post- including all the twitter cut and pastes with in this thread... 

Star Member Cha (194,483 posts)
62. It happens to be.. The Democratic Party, Stonepounder.. and jill stein owns

a chunk of trump..

Dangerous#1 Dangerous#2 Dangerous#3 ...

7th repost.

Star Member Blue_true (828 posts)
11. The extreme left caused Reagan, Bush I and Bush II, throw in Nixon and Ford.

You are suggesting that Democrats resort to banana republic tactics to "punish" their predecessors that the extreme left played a central role to elect to begin with. Maybe it is time for people like Stein, Sarandon, West, Smiley to look into a mirror and look into the face of their true enemy.

Star Member Cha (194,483 posts)
16. You will not absolve jill stein's LIES.. she owns a chunk of trump and those who got suckered..

Dangerous#1 Dangerous#2 Dangerous#3 ...

8th repost

Star Member Dem2 (5,524 posts)
20. Lame Blame Game

is stupid.

HIDE THREAD.

Foamfollower (31 posts)
38. Baloney, this is entirely the fault of the extreme left.

They gave us Bush in 2000 and now they've given us Trump.

They are ****ing morons whose agenda must be ignored in favor of centrist voters who actually vote for Democrats from time to time.

Gore1FL (15,285 posts)
94. No they didn't

Gore won Florida. The Dems didn't fight.

We had one decent DNC chair in the intervening years and he was replaced but a lackluster DLC hack that lost us multiple seats during her term.

I hope the new leadership brings the Democrat out in the Democrats again. Running as Republican light is a losing strategy.

Rex (65,604 posts)
50. The extreme left that voted for Bush in Florida in 2000? The extreme left that picked Reagan?

No wait...it was 200k Dems in 2000 well maybe some of them were extreme left - I cannot imagine for my life why someone that says they are a Dem would vote for Bush or Reagan. Funny that. No doubt they and all the Reagan Dems are the extreme left. Right? Funny, now instead of decades of GOP voter disenfranchisement it is NOW the extreme lefts fault.

No...this is good, I want to see where this particular brain trust goes on DU...

Star Member treestar (66,939 posts)
74. any proof any of that made people vote for Republicans?

Impeaching every Republican president would hardly have helped gain voters. Especially if it did not turn out well.

Star Member Cha (194,483 posts)
101. Jill Stein spoiled the 2016 election for Hillary Clinton.. there goes your premise..

Jill Stein's voters in Pennsylvania, Michigan and Wisconsin helped Donald Trump win the White House

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... what is this... the 9th repost?

Star Member JI7 (59,667 posts)
153. LOLOLOL, So White people supported Trump because REagan,Bush etc wasn't impeached , indicted Etc ?

HAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAH

Star Member Cha (194,483 posts)
175. No, it is not a "good honest post".. the first sentence is wrong..


Jill Stein spoiled the 2016 election for Hillary Clinton

10th repost

Star Member herding cats (8,549 posts)
189. Meanwhile people are going to die.

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Sick from curable conditions.

People will lose their housing, their food safety net, and children will lose their quality of education.

Elderly will not have enough money to pay for their food and their healthcare. Choices will have to be made and one or the other will have to be skipped.

The rich will get much, much richer while the poor and working class struggle under the burden of the current administration.

Migrants will live in terror of deportation or not being allowed back into the country if they leave. Dreamers are being targeted and deported.

Our civil rights are being assaulted on multiple levels.

Our environment will be raped on multiple fronts by corporations. Species will quite possible cease to exist here in the United States under this administration.

Science is being defunded and openly ridiculed.

Voting rights are being assaulted.

All this in the first 48 days.

Forgive me if my "bottom line" isn't the same as yours. To me these things are not a "slice of bread" but the very grain the loaf was baked from. These are the core issues I care about which are now being dismantled.

I'll vote for a politician who can actually do something to preserve these items any day over a selfish act of not voting because I'm not 100% feeling validated. I'm smart enough to know my nose functions best when it's still attached to my face.

 

Star Member BainsBane (40,047 posts)
209. You have no moral high ground

Which part of the constitution? And where does it say the Democratic Party is responsible for punishing the opposition in the constitution? I'd like to know the specific provisions you believe the Democrats failed to enforce? And how is it you determined that congress rather than the courts are responsible for protecting the constitution? That would come as quite a surprise to constitutional scholars and middle-school civics teachers.

Democrats did stand up in 2001: The Congressional Black Caucus, the Democrats that "progressives" consistently ignore, when they aren't calling them establishment. They are the ones who always stand up.

Let me see if I understand this argument: Your view is that a sizable portion of the electorate was angry at the Democratic Party for failing to impeach every Republican President since the 1980s, and because of that they decided to elect an incredibly narcissistic, unstable Republican with a White Supremacist agenda--a fascist? I would ask for evidence but I know none exists. No one was polled on those issues. This is yet another of a string of posts in which the author projects on to the election their own views. Given that yours date back decades before the election, they stand out as particularly strained.

I think there are a few themes that run throughout the arguments that third-party and "leftist" Trump voters were justified: 1) a contempt of government. Liberals and Democrats typically have seen government as having the capacity to do good. The self-described "left" now shares the right-wing antipathy toward government; 2) self-entitlement: We have a population that thinks nothing of wishing and working to inflict the very worst on the nation in order to exact revenge. The Trump supporters we saw at rallies wanted revenge on the non-white male population they believe have too much; some self-proclaimed progressives (who are in fact regressive) chose to deliver the country to fascism out of their anger at the Democratic Party and Democratic voters. Their reasons seem to vary. Some share the Trumpster resentment of women and people of color, some are simply indifferent to the suffering of others. They site different justifications, from TPP to now Iran-Contra, but the common thread is an intense desire to punish. Their anger at the Democratic party justifies punishing the poor and vulnerable through the policies Trump made clear he would enact during the campaign. Better to have a president who orders raids of schools and community events, stops cars (well within the US borders) demanding proof of citizenship, and implements a Muslim ban, all part of a project to whiten America?

One thing most of the anti-Democrats have in common is white male entitlement, an entitlement so impenetrable that no number of human lives endangered can compete with their anger. We see people certain that their own resentment matters more than anything, that government should channel their EMOTIONS and exact revenge on the those they so despise. That the populations must hurt by their protests votes are overwhelmingly women and people of color gives them common ground (even if only in practice rather than intent) with the right-wing Trump voters who resent the very same people. It is not self-labeling that determines what someone is but their actions. They collaborated with the alt-right to impose a fascist regime, and they succeeded. Fascism is as fascism does.

You have no moral high ground. There is NOTHING moral about the notion that self-important rage justifies inflicting suffering on the most vulnerable. Far from it. It is a worldview based on ego. A public that acts out of narcissism elects a narcissist who manifests their same indifference to human suffering. What matters is self, and that is an approach that shares far more in common with Ayn Rand than leftist ideologies based on community and collectivism.

 

Star Member BainsBane (40,047 posts)
222. Your argument still lacks logic

Your claim that Democrats failing to impeach every Republican president in recent history prompted the public to vote for Republicans lacks any semblance of logic. I do believe that you or to whomever you refer may have justified their votes against the Democrats on those grounds, but I don't believe for a minute that it involves any respect for the constitution. It also looks to me like you want a banana republic in which being in the opposition party is criminalized. Democracy can't exist under such circumstances,.

The results of putting the fascist Trump in power were clear from the campaign: to whiten America, to make it safer for rapists and hate crimes, to carry out immigration raids and ban Muslims. To strike down environmental protections and regulation of Wall Street. That is what people voted for in choosing Trump or voting against Clinton. They can tell themselves any number of things for why they chose to plunge the country into fascism. The fact is they chose fascism. They chose White Supremacy. It is those actions that define them.

We were at a crossroads like Germany in 1933. They refused to stand up to the equivalent of Hitler because of anger and hatred. They will forever be defined by that decision to collaborate with fascism. There is nothing leftist about it, and it certainly isn't moral. Every family broken up, every death from a hate crime, every person who dies because of lack of healthcare is on them. It's far worse than the deplorables who believed Trump would improve their lives. These were the actions of people who chose to make America worse, who chose to cause suffering to satisfy their own sense of revenge. Ayn Rand couldn't have wished for better disciples.

 

Star Member BainsBane (40,047 posts)
225. You are justifying collaboration with the right in electing Trump

You are justifying choosing fascism over democracy, causing suffering of millions because of self-indulgent rage. I'm talking to the person who wrote that justification. I don't give a shit where you were in 2001. I care what you did in 2016 and how you seek to justify it now. NOTHING else matters. That was the moment that defined you, me, and everyone else. I stood up to fascism. I worked to stop Hitler. I don't make excuses for those who helped put him in power. I do not do so because I don't make excuses for hate crimes, for breaking up families with immigration rates, for terrorizing the population and causing suffering. That is in effect what you are justifying. You claim it's okay because of anger. Well it isn't. Your anger isn't worth more than the lives of the millions who will suffer.

You are right about one thing. It wasn't the left that voted against Hillary. It was the self-entitled bourgeoisie, most of them white, comfortable in the knowledge they would never experience the suffering they willfully imposed on the subaltern.

 

Star Member Progressive dog (4,138 posts)
233. That OP is an example of the propoganda against Democrats that defeated Hillary.

*******! That is a fantastic thread! You want to see what the DUmpmonkiez are really like- swing over and read the whole flaming thing.

 

[franksolich]

*******! That is a fantastic thread! You want to see what the DUmpmonkiez are really like- swing over and read the whole flaming thing.

 

I'm surprised at all the times bravenak slapped the gimme crowd, the supporters of the old sourassed sourpuss, Manny's primitives.  I thought that Great Divide would've been healed by now.

[SVPete]

1. Impeachment of Reagan for Iran-Contra.
2. Prosecution of Bush Sr. when the extent of his role in Iran contra was exposed.
3. An objection to the unlawfully appointed FL electors on Jan 6, 2001, as was their duty under the electoral count act.
4. Impeachment of Bush/Cheney for torture.

1. & 2. No law was broken, and an impeachment resolution probably would have failed even in the House.

3. Gore tried to disenfranchise the whole State of Florida, and lost in the US Supreme Court.

4. Congress would have had to change the legal definition of torture, get Bush to sign it, and get the US Supreme Court to approve an ex post facto law.

But, yeah. The Ds gave us Trump. One wing of the D Party supports the tyrannous kookery of the extreme left, and the other wing of the D Party nominated the most corrupt and inept arrogant elitist a major party ever ran for President.

Added clarification and fixed a typo.

[jukin]

Just when you think the DUchebags can't get any better, they do!!!

My schadenboner and I thank you all for the smiles and laughs.

[Ralph Wiggum]

Wow, great thread Dutch!  Just the fact you had the patience to copy & paste their nonsense speaks volumes.

[98ZJUSMC]

Wow.................     

Wow, great thread Dutch!  Just the fact you had the patience to copy & paste their nonsense speaks volumes.

Way too intense a headache, for me.  Just, wow...........   

[67 Rover]

Star Member bravenak (34,628 posts)
2. If you hate the party so much, then why post at a place for Democrats?

You seem angrier at the party than at the guy deporting immigrants and taking healthcare completely away.
I think whoever has these thought on the party need to prove they are right by winning. If yiu win, and work, people start listening. If you just point fingers at us for losing while your not even able win at all???

This is very serious!  I am with you in being against deporting immigrants and taking healthcare completely away. 

Oh wait you mean illegal aliens and subsidized mandated health insurance?  Never mind then. 

[Ralph Wiggum]

Wow.................     


Way too intense a headache, for me.  Just, wow...........   

Could barely read that whole thing.  Having gone to the swamp & done that many times, it can be exhausting.

[I_B_Perky]

Star Member KPN (2,503 posts)
159. Let's don't take any responsibility for any of this.

Might as well since you dummies never take any responsibility for anything...  including yourselves.   

[98ZJUSMC]

Could barely read that whole thing.  Having gone to the swamp & done that many times, it can be exhausting.

It is exhausting.  I go from laughing to "just get me outta here", real quick.

[jukin]

Extreme DUchebag: 1+1=POTATO

Far Left DUmmy: No 1+1=2.

Extreme DUchebag: Why do think 1+1=2 when clearly it equals POTATO. Maddow said so last night. Maybe you would be happier at some other site.

Far Left DUmmy: Well because POTATO is not a number. It is a root vegetable. We are talking about numbers.

Extreme DUchebag: **** YOU!!!  Don't you undersand that 1+1=POTATO!!! Are you calling Maddow and me a liar. You must be some kind of rethuglican troll. Go to freeper repubic with your lies and hate.

Far Left DUmmy: Hey I'm a life long democrat progressive. I hate the fact that 1+1 doesn't equal POTATO but it just doesn't.

Extreme DUchebag: Enjoy your stay and your granite pizza. I put you on ignore for being a hater and tRumpf lover. I hope you die horribly.

Extreme DUchebag:

[Carl]

Star Member Hortensis (13,753 posts)
229. We've been naming "one of the factors" -- spreading such vicious lies about Clinton that many who thought they'd vote for her ultimately decided not to, putting the current pack of hyenas in office.

Right now we could be talking about our administration's plan to restore good, well paying jobs with good benefits to America. Starting with President Clinton's first 100-day jobs plan.

We talk a lot about Republican regret and wonder how that's coming along.

Instead we have a President that in one month started delivering just that. 

[SVPete]

"Star Member Hortensis", The SHREWCHILL's problem wasn't "vicious lies", but Vicious TRUTHS!

[freedumb2003b]

Star Member bravenak (34,628 posts)
2. If you hate the party so much, then why post at a place for Democrats?

You seem angrier at the party than at the guy deporting immigrants and taking healthcare completely away.

Why do they keep posting about obozo?  Don't they know he is gone?

[GOP Congress]

And the banned MY "mole" for thinking exactly like this...